Thursday 5 January 2012

Fergie Feels The Pinch

People across the world, and one or two in Manchester, are in despair. The greatest football manager in history has lost it. Two defeats in a row can pretty much tell you that. That’s right. Two. They’re three whole points behind the leaders. Shocking.



Man United are in meltdown. That’s according to the fair-weather fatheads who don’t really have a Red Devil running through their veins, they’ve just overdosed on a little bit too much vicarious glory.

There’s no doubt that Fergie has problems, but these have been bubbling under for a while. His main problem – as with a lot of managers – is that he’s in charge of a club whose fans have come to treat victory as a divine right.

They’ll tell you that the Govan Beetroot needs to invest urgently in some top-class players, as if just the name of Manchester United means the man can peel a world-class midfielder from off the soles of his hushpuppies. It’s garbage. Not even the thrill of a Europa League campaign will be enough for the likes of Wesley Sneijder.

So, hopefully it is going to be a bit of a crappity old season for United. The signs are promising. Vidic’s absence has left a back four looking as sturdy as a newborn foal. With Fletcher out for the foreseeable the midfield looks as frail as Gillian Anderson’s Miss Haversham (and how that woman can still look bleeding gorgeous whilst dressed as a rotting ghost is beyond me), and upfront His Knightship can’t decide who to pair up with the Boozy Scouser.



For the rest of us, this is a happier time. Chances are that the title this year will be between Man City and Gawd ‘elp us, Spurs. The usual suspects have been relegated to the back of the queue.

Citeh will win it, even allowing for Dzeko’s reversion to the gambolling giraffe of last year. Given they’ve got a decent left-back doing fuck-all for £90K a week it’s the blinking least they should manage, to be frank. Bridge should quit whining. I’d very happily have his job.

The loss at Sunderland will be seen as a blip. Martin O’Neill has transformed the team and enhanced his semi-Messianic reputation. If you listen to Robbie Savage, which I appreciate is almost as painful as Jools Holland’s tedious Hootenanny tripe, he’ll tell you that O’Neill keeps it simple. And given that he's talking to footballers that's just as well.

The Black Cats have pressed high up the pitch, and got a couple of sneaky last-minute winners and Wearside is aglow. It also underlines summat I’ve always thought –that Steve Bruce couldn’t manage a tea bar, let alone a football club.

The Christmas period was delightfully topsy-turvy. Barely a result went the way you might have expected, and it was reassuring to have Wenger back in full bleat after the defeat at Fulham.

Liverpool will be hoping that the dust has settled on the case of Luis Suarez, but frankly the club have handled the whole thing with the sort of crassness that you wouldn’t even find at a Republican primary. The T-shirts supporting the bugsy Uruguayan were insane. The indignation has been absurd. The scramble to climb up the highest of horses has done the club no favours whatsoever.

If we want to kick racism out of football, an eight-week ban for someone racially abusing a fellow pro seems to be a good place to start. Anfield has been in denial. The fact that Evra can be a needly little bleeder is unfortunate, but irrelevant.

You do wonder if the player concerned was, say, Martin Skrtel, whether the club would have been quite so fervent in its ignorance. Suarez is a cracking little player and Skrtel would only appear on a piece of merchandise if it were a parody of Edvard Munch’s The Scream.

I mean I appreciate that the team ethic is important, and that managers, in public at least, tend towards tight-lipped support rather than damning the player outright. But that’s just not good enough in this case. I actually think Chelsea have handled the Terry case with a little more subtlety. At least their support has been guarded.

Suarez’s apology might just draw a line under things but the lament that the word ‘negro’ is commonplace in South America is disingenuous. The Black and White Minstrels were very popular in the 60s too, but now it makes us all feel a tad uneasy, Luis. If I snarl the word ‘black’ at someone seven times over in a couple of minutes (he says once but I think that’s almost certainly cack) then I think the bloke concerned might just think I’m accusing him of more than just possessing darker skin than mine.



The fact that Liverpool FC have a great tradition of community involvement, and have been at the wrong end of serious injustices in the not too distant past, makes the handling of all this even more difficult to fathom.

There are still the odd shit-headed knob-end who thinks that a player’s skin colour has owt to do with his contribution on a football field but one of the greatest advances in our national game is the fact that by and large a footballer is judged on whether he’s any good or not. Full stop.

There are more dimly lit corners of the continent where racism is rife – and I don’t doubt that Euro 2012 will unveil some shaven-headed tattooed pillocks, newly clambered out of the primordial soup, who treat football matches as an excuse to promote their illiteracy.

We can hardly condemn that sort of malice if we don’t clean the shit of our own doorstep.

301 comments:

  1. plus, cant hold Britain to a lower standard, say Spain, where abuse of black players is rife.

    We are better than that. Have been for some time now and must do everything to see we continue doing all we can for a fairer (not skin colour wise) sport & ultimately soceity.

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  2. A fine blog Robbo.

    Perfect summation.

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  3. Still can't believe LFC had the nerve to question Evra's integrity by saying he's had previous when in fact it was others who made the race accusations and not him. They said that in an official statement approved by a team of lawyers, incredible.

    Small time mentality from a club who for some reason still believe they are a big club, Blackburn have a better claim for being a big club as they are 1 of 4 clubs to have won the Premier League.

    The real reason I think LFC have been so vehement in theor defence of El-Racist is because they know he's guilty but cant be seen as condoning a racist when they obviously won't sell their best player. If Carrol had been the one to call Evra a "negro" Dalglish would personally piggyback him to the airport

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  4. On hearing Diane Abbott is both English & Racist,I hear that a bidding war has begun between LFC & CFC. Labour holding out for £45m.

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  5. Well said Robbo.

    L'pool haven't exactly covered themselves in glory with this episode, I can't really say that anything Suarez does ever surprises me though.

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  6. Cue all the 'Pool fans bleating on about how "everyone's agin us, like", forgetting that most of the BBC football commentators/pundits/journos are either fans or played for the damn club. I think it's high time LFC in general and 'kin Kenny in particular shut the fuck up!
    Happy New Year to one an' all...even Pool fans!

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  7. Spot on as ever, Robbo. Liverpool must have very sore feet at the moment, given the number of times they have shot themselves there recently. Utterly cretinous, from top to bottom.

    Love the image, Deadgoat. Kenny deserves to have to give Carroll a piggyback (not easy), as punishment for being an utter tw@t over Suarez.

    The Bill must think they have some evidence on Terry to take a criminal prosecution. JT being a complete pillock is not enough to prosecute him. i fear he might get off because they can't PROVE what he said.


    Jedi

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  8. Good stuff Robbo. For all it's a treat to witness, Fergie and Wenger's heartache will end soon, they've got Bolton in their futures.

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  9. Happy New Year to you too Roger (seeing as Im the only liverpool fan on here).

    Can't say that I approve of the clubs handling of the suarez incident. It certainly has robbed us of our high horse to which we have been proud owners for a while. Still feel a little burnt about the whole affair for 2 reasons only:

    1. Evra's a cunt (not that it should matter, as robbo points out, but if i have to be honest, it does).
    2. The FA are doing this to prove a point against Blatter (again should not matter, but feels like theres more being considered than just the merits of the case)

    If JT gets similar treatment, I'd feely better. I'd definitely have felt much better if Suarez had just apologised and the club punished him with an 8 game ban, so I'm happy to put my hand up and admit the club got their act all wrong.

    That being said, hopefully we can get it out of our system and get on with the push for 4th.
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  10. AnfieldHopeful - We could do with more like you - good on yer fella! Btw I am an Everton fan for my sins, and I will fully admit we are utter shite, so there!
    PS - 4th? In your dreams, in your dreams...;)

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  11. .. a certain Notlob fan should be loving this...

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  12. Good stuff Robbo

    like the reference to Brucies tea bar. Has there been a successful manager from the Fergie fold?

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  13. quite correct regoR! I like Everton and have almost forgiven 'em for the George Wood/Peter Reid incident.

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  14. Blimey Trot, you must be almost as old as me!

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  15. Getting trounced by H2H, and H has 4 to play agst my 1 next week
    will probably go out of the cup unless Baines scores a hattrick

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  16. I have an overwhelming sense of impending doom. Either something terrible is going to happen in the world of football or I'm about to have a heart attack.

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  17. You can tune in and have the pleasure of hearing Mr. Evra refer to Frank Lampard as a 'mother f#@king ni§§er'. Before you get shirty, I don't suggest that anything mitigates Suarez' actions. I merely suggest that, as usual, the F--- All can only mishandle one crisis at a time. Arbitrary prosecutions do nothing to garner 'Respect'.

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  18. That video is from 2004 . He played for Monaco at the time. He's in his hotel room. Last time I looked lampard isn't black.

    What do want the FA to do, sisyphus? Phone Dr Who, travel through time and space and nick him for inaccurate use of racist epithets?

    Liverpool fans ! Stop digging that hole!

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  19. Or ...stop pushing the rock up the hill.

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  20. @blogdignag

    Never let an attempt at balanced approach to the case upset your 'justifiably held' opinions.

    1) I am not now and never have been a Liverpool supporter.

    2) Evra does have previous and his word has been held to be unreliable. The major emphasis of the commission report was that they found Saurez' testimony unreliable, with no mention of Mr. Evra's conduct. Might I humbly suggest that if you are going to base your judgement on an assessment of character then the characters of both men should be on the table.

    3) Yes, on previous occasions involving Mr. Evra others made the claims for him. But let's just ignore the fact that it was SAF who took Evra in tow to see Andre Marriner after the Liverpool match.

    4) As far as I am aware, Saurez never once used the word 'negro' despite what the commission stated. I merely suggest that they chose to interpret 'negrito' to suit their case.

    5) Racism is not restrict solely to matters of colour. Mr. Evra was equally racist in the derogatory language concerning Mr. Saurez' geographical origins. This is not placed in mitigation - merely to suggest that Mr. Evra's conduct should also have been reviewed.

    6) I am aware that Frank Lampard is Caucasian. I merely wish to point out that to call a 'little black man' a 'little black man' is an offense worthy of punishment greater than a charge of Grevious Bodily Harm (i.e. Roy Keane). But, I am trying to resolve the question; when a gentleman of colour calls a caucasian a ni§§er is it to be ignored because of time, location and inaccuracy, or merely because he is a gentleman of colour?

    7) No one and no organization comes out of this affair with their reputation in tact: not Mr. Saurez, not Mr. Evra, not Mr. Dalglish, not LFC, not the FA or it's closely held 'independent' commission.

    The true tragedy is that no part of this political travesty has done anything to combat racism.

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  21. I disagree, sys, I think the ruling does promote anti-racism.

    Of course evras an arsehole as well, but suarez wasn't banned for being an arsehole, he was banned for infringing rule E3(2) which prohibits reference to another players skin colour during a match. And guess what . He admitted it.

    This is simply a fact, its why he was banned. The FA even added the rider that suarez wasn't racist.

    I have no problem with you holding a different opinion to mine, sysiphus, but with respect you seem to have imagined a narrative in which the two players are equally guilty and ipso facto there must ne some sinister politically correct reason that FA failed to ban evra for something he said 7 years ago when he wasn't playing under their jurisdiction.

    We can agree to differ ... but I would take issue with your attempt to stretch the definition of racism to incorporate derogation of geographical origins. South American (some insult), or Scottish, or German - these are just descriptive terms for the poor misfortune bastards who happen not to be English, but as far as I know, unlike black people, none of these genetically miscegenous groups have ever suffered slavery or discrimination en masse.

    It's just different you see. Evra just isn't as culpable as suarez who got everything he deserved.

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  22. Regardless of how you feel about the kerfuffle as it stands, what would a fair ban be for referring to someone's sexuality instead of their skin color?

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  23. Sisyphus.

    Firstly I'd like to welcome you to this blog, you state your arguments well and without rancur, and for that I applaud you.

    Many of your points I agree with, especially that Evra is a cunt (you put it better) You are right, Evra is the result of a Pussydyktyl mating with a Vaginasaurus Rex, which maybe makes him the biggist C U Next Tuesday that ever roamed the land.

    But, as much as I (and every decent human bieng) can't stand him, he was wronged.

    I'm not the sharpist pencil in the case, but I've lived in a few different cultures and speak more then one language.

    Here in the Lowlands, a person of colour is known as a "neger", you can translate that as negro and not as the dreaded "N" word, however, you would be wrong to taunt a person of colour with that word.

    I have also lived a few years in Spain,and spent a great deal of time in Hispanic countries and the word "negrito" is not a pet name, it can be used as a taunt and Suarez knew full well what he was doing when he was up against Evra.

    Suarez is no stranger to controversie, here in Holland he was banned for biting an opponent, I can honestly say that I was more then surprised that a club in the PL brought him to the U.K.
    Read previos posts that I have submitted, I have always said that although he is a gifted player, he is an accident waiting to happen.

    The ban has been upheld and L'pool have accepted it, although to their detriment, still claim that they are being discriminated against.

    Suarez has issued a public apology, yet he still claims his innocence, and does in no way apologise for his actions, or to Evra, only to the fans of the club and his team mates.

    This is not good enough and if the FA had any balls, then they would (should) take futher action.

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  24. My dear blog - if I may be so personal;

    Please don't misrepresent the facts of the case or my arguments surrounding a perceived injustice.

    1) FA Rule E3(2) states that a breach of Rule E3(1) may include "a reference to any one or more of a person's ethnic origin, colour, race, nationality, faith, gender, sexual orientation or disability ............"

    2) Nowhere did I attempt to stretch the definition of racism to incorporate derogation of geographical origins. I only maintain that, if the Regulatory Commission is going to enforce rule E 3(2), it should enforce it all.

    3) The decision was based on the question of colour - not race. The commission was able to differentiate. You, apparently, cannot.

    4) Your misguided historical narrative not withstanding, nowhere does the rule state that any one of the infractions is greater than any other.

    5) On the evidence presented they are both culpable. Unlike you, I do not have sufficient information to determine degrees of culpability. I do see that one got a severe penalty and will be branded a racist for the rest of his career - despite the precise wording of the commission's decision. The second, who was never charged even though he was guilty of violating the same rule, walks away scot-free. I make no judgement as to degree of guilt or length of suspension for Mr. Evra, but I do believe a suspension was warranted.

    6) I never suggested that the FA ban Evra for something he said seven years ago. But they might have included it, along with his prior form at Chelsea and Liverpool, and his yelling at Andre Marriner that 'You're only booking me because I'm black', while they were busy destroying Suarez' credibility.

    7) The political travesty had nothing to do with the relative merits of Mr. Suarez' or Mr. Evra's case. It has everything to do with the FA cocking a snoot at Bep Splatter.

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  25. Correction -(2) above should read

    Nowhere did I intend to stretch the definition of racism ............

    The point being that 'derogation of geographical origins' carries the same weight in the rule as racism - whether, or not, that is how it is interpreted and enforced.

    Sorry - I make a terrible proof-reader when it's my own prose.

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  26. So ... what could a black player say to a white or hispanic that would be deemed racist?
    Not quite sure why the word black or negro is racist. If we choose to read into those words what an African American (as they are known where I live, and I have dated one for the last 2.5 years) wishes whenever there is a conflict,
    and it is to their benefit, well I guess we have the Suarez injustice.

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  27. Half your arguments are either self-contradictory or non-sensical, sys, but if you are happy with them.....

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  28. How appropriate that the word 'prevaricate' is an anagram of Patrice Evra.

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  29. I'm troubled by the emerging narrative here.....its not about the personal qualities of suarez or evra, its about a) unambiguous rule breaking (by suarez) and b) the issue of racism in sport and more importantly, in society.

    If you support suarez, like Liverpool to their brand-damaging shame have done, the inference can be drawn that you condone racism or at least don't understand its importance.

    In the UK at least there can be no racist insult to whites equivalent to "negro" "nigger" etc because of the history of slavery, a trade which we became very rich from - its where Barclays, Lloyds of London derived their capital base from for instance. This is a historic crime equivalent to the other great racist crime, the Holocaust, which we don't want to face up to.

    This isn't about white guilt either it'd about understanding the history of colonialism and exploitation which is the historical basis for much of our culture (one example.. Shakespeares Tempest) and still conditions our thinking and behaviour. Thats why words matter.

    Do black people play the race card at times? Of course. Is Diane abott an idiot. Yes. And I'm no fan of the blazers at the FA but sorry guys there is no injustice to suarez, the FA have accidentally got one right for once.

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  30. what is the opposite equivalant insult of 'you hommo' or 'faggot' that gays can call the hetro-sexuals?

    What is the opposite equivalent of 'kripple', 'limp', 'retard' that can be directed at those fortunate enough to have a fully functioning body?

    there isnt.

    Calling a person a cunt (a character flaw) may well be hurtfull to that person but its a judgement on his person but calling someone a nigger carries with it the centuries of bloody, historic baggage through which you deride a whole race & culture.

    Then again, you wouldnt ever realise the magnitude of it unless you yourself were subjected to it or someone very close to you went through such on ordeal and spent their whole remaining life with the hurt.

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  31. Ok a few comments to make comment on...

    AnfieldHopeful said...

    1. Evra's a cunt
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    No he isn't and theres definitely much, much bigger cunts at Liverpool e.g. Bellamy, Suarez or Kuyt.
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    2. The FA are doing this to prove a point against Blatter (again should not matter, but feels like theres more being considered than just the merits of the case)
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    They did this because Evra made a complaint of racist comments being made to him. Which there were. Jesus fucking wept, take your oil, He was caught. Rooney got a 3 match ban for saying fuck twice. If you're gonna be caught saying negro repeatedly(with the view to offend and piss off Evra) or whatever it was, you're gonna get a substantial ban.
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    Sisyphus said...

    Racism is not restrict solely to matters of colour. Mr. Evra was equally racist in the derogatory language concerning Mr. Saurez' geographical origins. This is not placed in mitigation - merely to suggest that Mr. Evra's conduct should also have been reviewed.
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    Yeah this was after Suarez made racist comments and pinched him all with the purpose to piss him off. Then he sarcastically cupped his hand round the back of Evra's head and continued to call out racist remarks. Anyway, everybody knows racism isn't as black or white as you put it(sorry for pun). Offensive racist terms have historical significance which negro does, calling someone a South American does not. If he called him a French Fry or Frenchie it would have been ok. But then it wouldn't have had the offensive edge that Suarez was after would it?
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    I never suggested that the FA ban Evra for something he said seven years ago. But they might have included it, along with his prior form at Chelsea and Liverpool, and his yelling at Andre Marriner that 'You're only booking me because I'm black', while they were busy destroying Suarez' credibility.
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    Sisyphus you are the epitome of desperation. Yeah sure the FA are going to include evidence from an event off the field, out of their jurisdiction and unproven. Evra reacted the way he did at Chelsea because the groundsman apparently racially abused him after telling him to get off the pitch during their warm down. Because there was no evidence other than people's word against one another, nothing came of it. I think Terry had a few words with Evra that game also. Also as far as I'm aware theres no evidence that Evra said to Marriner you're only booking me because I'm black.
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    I can't understand the stupidity of Liverpool and their supporteres over this. They're whole argument is "yeah its a justified punishment as long as Terry gets the same" then pledge their full support of Suarez even after he came out and said he did nothing wrong. I mean this guy is getting probably £100,000 a week from your club and he won't be playing a game till February all because he disgraced your club. What are Liverpool scared of? Are they worried that Suarez is another Tevez who will throw his toys out of the pram and demand a transfer if they don't show 100% support? The facts that Liverpool have the biggest neo-nazi lookalikes at centre back and have very few balck players doesn't help either hehe.

    Anyway, on United. Watched the game and although I wasn't impressed with United, I wasn't all that impressed with Newcastle either. It was a game where very little happened apart from 2 fantastic individual goals and an obvious penalty(makes up for the one at OT). The game was played in a mini hurricane which defnitely evened the playing field. I've played football in strong winds before, its almost impossible to play flowing football let alone hear your teammates. Although Citeh are favorites I'm not discouraged just yet.

    Essay over.

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  32. Also Evra even said he didn't think Suarez was a racist.

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  33. I agree spit racial exploitation is wrong. Having said that it was fucking amazing what that Thai bird did with those ping pong balls. I've got no idea how she got them up her dick in the first place

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  34. Rod don't forget Jones' fine individual effort. Heh heh heh.

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  35. Taken from Michael Rosen's blog.
    Even so, no matter what kind of codes Suarez was using at the time, there can be little doubt that he changed the nature of the 'conversation' (euphemism, I know) by introducing 'race' into it. And this is the key. Why does a white person do that? What possible purpose is there for a white person in the middle of a confrontation (for whatever reason) suddenly say that the other person is 'black'. It can only be part of the business of trying to get the upper hand. In other words, the white person reaches for the hierarchy he is part of, (the racist hierarchy,) and pluck the trump card from the pack: the one that says 'inferior' (in his book). It is completely irrelevant that black people use this or that term to each other or within the hierarchies of racism use the word 'white'. Racialising the confrontation is to get the upper hand by relying on perceived notions of who is top dog, based on centuries of domination and oppression. The thousands of column inches I've seen written on this case all trying to prove that 'negro' isn't a slur completely miss the point.

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  36. blogdignag said...
    I agree spit racial exploitation is wrong. Having said that it was fucking amazing what that Thai bird did with those ping pong balls. I've got no idea how she got them up her dick in the first place
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    Hahaha!! Fucking belter!

    Yeah blog, Jones own goal was pretty bad but as I said it was played in a mini hurricane meaning he probably didn't hear the shout from the keeper and the flight of the ball wasn't consistent leading to bouncing off his arm into the net. Actually it should have been a penalty to Newcastle!! Wheres the consistency? I'm disgusted!

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  37. Brilliant we're all agreed then. Next topic! .....

    Is a jaffa cake a buscuit, or is it in fact a chocolately mini pie with a delicious filling of whatever the fuck that is they put in jaffa cakes, pigs semen probably

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  38. According to Stephen Fry its a cake because it goes hard when left out too long, where a biscuit goes soft. As for the filling, pig semen would probably cost too much and be too problematic to produce, Rebecca Loos can't be everywhere! Unless you genetically engineered an army of Loos pig wanker drones. One Loos per 10 pigs nationwide could produce so much semen it would probably cause an earthquake.

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  39. RodTheFierce, on what basis do you reach your conclusion that Kuyt & Bellamy are bigger cunts than Evra? We all know Bellamy is a niggly tosser who gets under many people's skin, but come on, man ure have pretty much held the monopoly on footballing cunts for the last 15 - 20 years!

    Giggs - philandering cunt who knocked off his brother's missus for eight years and then took out an injunction to keep it under wraps.

    Rooney - where do you start with this idiot?! Cheating on your pregnant missus with a hooker is about as cuntish as it gets. Then there's the countless examples of odious behaviour, snarling obscenities at officials, assaulting fellow pro's (more often that not with little or no punishment), slating your nation's fans after they've watched you make zero effort in your country's shirt in a major tournament, making false claims which result in libel actions...the list is almost endless.

    Ferdinand - serial drink-driver, another who cheats on his missus, drug test dodger, etc.

    Keane - snarling leader of a pack of ref-baiters, best known for deliberately attempting to end the career of a fellow pro, which is about as cuntish as it gets on the pitch.

    Cantona - Conviction for assaulting a member of the public.

    Fergie - by far the biggest cunt of all. It would take all day to list the countless examples of what makes him such a cunt, but I think only M Thatcher would crop up more times on lists of most despised people in the public eye during the modern age.

    I could go on but I'm beginning to lose the will to live. Only Terry & Cashley outside of man ure generate the same kind of loathing and hatred amongst football fans.

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  40. Hard to argue with that, RS. There are definitely recruitment policies in place and a mate of mine who works for Reed gave Mr a sneaky insight into the personal qualities the top club are looking for...

    Liverpool... racists
    Arsenal ... bland obedient sheep
    Man city ... the mercenary price is right
    Man utd....cunts, shaggers
    Chelsea ... fat racist mercenary sheep shagger cunts

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  41. Real Sociopath, this argument was thrown at me a few weeks ago. I will say what I said then. Do you know all these people personally? I certainly don't but I would pretty much bet that they are spoilt egotistical brats. As most footballers would be. I've known this for years as I'm sure you have also. What I'm talking about is their conduct ON the pitch and their use of the "dark acts". Every single game you will see Bellamy or Kuyt stirring up shit. Suarez has a month to reflect but I'm sure he'll come back as big a cunt as ever.

    Now don't get me wrong I know all players dive and try to influence the referee but in the case of United players they are few and far between. Its just highlighted more because United games are shown the most. You can bring up examples all you like but the truth of the matter is every single game these Liverpool players will stir up shit in a bid to gain an advantage. I guess United players have a bit more class(or more likely fear the iron fist of Fergie). And again I'm talking about ON the field of play.

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  42. And I supported Rooney on the disgraceful booing by English fans. Youse were wrong to boo. Did youse lose the game? Youse can be a real hypocritical bunch who I'm afraid get what you deserve. I remember The Republic in Italia 90 drawing 0-0 with Egypt, a game they thought they needed to win. Was there booing?? No.

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  43. I was surprised to see Natasha Giggs entering Big Brother. With her reputation I assumed it would be a big brother entering her.

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  44. Brilliant haha! Jesus, Giggles must be sweating about it.

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  45. by 'eck, there's some lively debate here today. All good stuff. Look out Macclesfield, here we come!

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  46. You're right rod we do get what we deserve - the occasional spell of world domination mmmmwwwahahahaha!

    What would the Irish Empire have looked like?

    No world wars and No world cups...wot kind of a chant is that?

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  47. Coyle: Expected to move to Chelsea

    That's a caption from the Sporting Life website under a picture of Cahill. I hope AVB has been notified. Bring back Sammy Lee.

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  48. Rod,

    I don't need to know these people personally to be aware that their behaviour is or has been inexcusable or unacceptable, not to mention cuntish.

    As for united players who try to dive and/or influence the ref being few and far between, that's about as laughable as it gets. Ronaldo, Nani, van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Evra, Heinze & Ferdinand all spring immediately to mind, not to mention the entire Keane-fronted team of the late 90's/early 2000's which routinely rounded on an intimidated official if they'd had the nerve to give a mildly controversial decision in favour of the opponents.

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  49. TrotterUSA said...
    by 'eck, there's some lively debate here today. All good stuff. Look out Macclesfield, here we come!
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    Macc is fully prepared Trotts.

    It's moving over the Cat and Fiddle to Buxton for the weekend.

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  50. Rod said:
    Youse can be a real hypocritical bunch who I'm afraid get what you deserve.

    ffs mate - it was a long time ago - and anyway we are all europeans now or sumat

    (why do so many irish hate the english - still)

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  51. the FA have accidentally got one right for once.

    well said bloggydog

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  52. Rod, you seem to have misunderstood (unintentionally no doubt). Neither SyphillisPussy (sorry mate, couldnt help that) nor I were suggesting Suarez isnt deserving of the punishment he got. He is and deserves what he gets from now on. The point is Evra was also guilty of that same law, now he being the provoked party in no way absolves him of the crime. He would probably have gotten away with a lighter sentence, but to ignore his conduct entirely while convicting Suarez solely in his word just isnt cricket. Everytime this argument is brought up, sullying the conversation by saying all Liverpool fans are racist because we're supporting Suarez is, well, a very Man Utd thing to do.

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  53. Okie, this horse is now clearly dead.

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  54. and the cow will jump over the moon if we win Jacks!

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  55. Nice of SAF to add his 2ps worth and stir it up.

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/16441461.stm

    Cant help but feel that the little shit wont be at Anfield for too long, the reception he is going to get at every ground is going to add pressure on him and the club

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  56. AH.

    Far from it, the "horse" is alive and kicking.
    L'pool have made an enormous mess of the whole affair and Suarez has still not apologised to Evra.

    This incident will and can not be brushed under the carpet.

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  57. I have every confidence in you Trotts.

    I've got none in your football team,but every confidence in you.

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  58. wait...you're saying the cow that jumped over the moon was actually a racist horse?

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  59. fbh - where the bloody hell have you been. Explain yourself!

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  60. http://michaelrosenblog.blogspot.com/2012/01/start-of-2012-seems-to-have-put-race-at.html

    I commend this read as it sums everything up beautifully.

    PS,after Dianne Abbott yesterday we have the death of Bob Holness today.Ed Milliband put out a tweet saying how it was a sad loss,he will always be remembered by a generation for presenting Blackbusters.

    Couldn't make it up.

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  61. I believe Trotts is playing.

    He's 3 up at the 12th.

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  62. Real Sociopath said...
    Rod,

    I don't need to know these people personally to be aware that their behaviour is or has been inexcusable or unacceptable, not to mention cuntish.

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    I'm not interested in their personal lives. I'm a football fan, not a Loose Women fan.

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    As for united players who try to dive and/or influence the ref being few and far between, that's about as laughable as it gets. Ronaldo, Nani, van Nistelrooy, Rooney, Evra, Heinze & Ferdinand all spring immediately to mind, not to mention the entire Keane-fronted team of the late 90's/early 2000's which routinely rounded on an intimidated official if they'd had the nerve to give a mildly controversial decision in favour of the opponents.

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    You will find such examples are few and far between. Ronaldo didn't dive anywhere near the amount people accused him of. The same for Nani. Jesus, he got assaulted by Carragher last season and got accused of diving and/or play acting with blood pishing out of his shin. In reference to the Keane & Co comment, yeah they did crowd round refs but that was a very long time ago...that one game against Boro...Jesus you won't let it go will ye's?

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  63. Excellent debating gentleman but I think Michael Rosen wins the day. Mind you the Manchester-Liverpool debate on 'Who's got the biggest cunts?' would seem to the neutral to have never-ending possibilities. I mean Joey Barton's a Scouser and Robbie Savage started at United.

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  64. The evidence seems to be that if we don't just talk shit, more people get involved.

    So. Did Bob Holness play sax on Baker Street or no?

    I'll have an R.I.P. please, bob.

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  65. manChester UNiTed.

    What's in a name?

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  66. Owen Coyle wants Bolton target Tim Ream to take his honeymoon in Horwich. The American centre-half is getting married in his homeland this weekend, just as the Trotters are set to seal a £2.5m deal to buy him from MLS side New York Red Bulls.
    Full story: Daily Mirror
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    Yeah, screw Hawaii, Niagra Falls, Tahiti or Cancun. Which newlyweds could possibly resist the pull of Horwich?

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  67. Holloway2Holland said...
    AH.

    Far from it, the "horse" is alive and kicking.
    L'pool have made an enormous mess of the whole affair and Suarez has still not apologised to Evra.

    This incident will and can not be brushed under the carpet.

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    I meant merely on this blog H2 (apparently was wrong there as well). Couldnt give a rats otherwise. Also, I think the liverpool fans reaction wouldnt have been half as unholy if it were any club other than ManU. These fans I tell you, horrid, racist, sonsofbitches.
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    In other news meanwhile, back to winning ways in the FFL. Have easily beaten both my H2H opponents,with a game and 3 players remaining.

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  68. eh, Horwich is a lovers paradise, I've been telling' the Yanks for years. Finally it's paying' off.

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  69. Niagara falls is way too over-rated.

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  70. Jeysus Hairy Chreest - you leave a blog for a day and come back to find you've missed WW3!
    Btw Trot, I'm more than 50 but less than 60. How young be you? Also, you might like to know that Dour Davey has fined Tim Howard a month's wages for daring to be adventurous. Go Tamworth!

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  71. What the fuck happened to my post there.

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  72. I'll try to enter it again

    A good blog Robbo. Stated with the seriousness it deserves.

    I know why there are less racists in England nowadays. All the bigotted arseholes have emigrated to Oz. Our "White Australia" policy back in the 60's attracted them and although it is no longer (officially) in place, many of our English migrants think it is or at least wish for it's return.

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  73. There are at least a couple racists left in England, it seems.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/06/oldham-tom-adeyemi-liverpool

    To be honest, though, I don't think they were Liverpool fans. Why in the world would Liverpool fans wear shirts supporting Suarez and do something obviously racist (assuming this article is accurate)? Most have said Suarez isn't overtly racist, just from a different culture, and even if you disagree and believe he is racist, why would you show your support for him by being more/actually racist?

    Then again, I'm just a lowly American... what would I know about racism or football? (Well, one out of two ain't bad, eh?)

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  74. So. Did Bob Holness play sax on Baker Street or no?
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    Well blog, I am no student of the sax as such but it would seem Raphael Ravenscroft is the muso that played the solo mate.

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  75. Oh, also, I love the direct quote. Somehow I can't imagine the New York Times including it as written, but then again, given what you can say on the BBC (but not on any American basic, never mind publicly funded, channel, it seems), I'm surprised everyone is so sensitive about the word "negro".

    Yes, I recognize the contexts and intents are totally different, but here we fine people for momentary "wardrobe malfunctions" broadcast on national television. How do you know where the line is? And how would you expect someone from another culture to understand it if you don't make it explicit? (Though perhaps "explicit" isn't the best word...)

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  76. I'm surprised you're surprised, Stephen, all you have to do is look it up in a dictionary ...negro usually defined as "sometimes offensive" because of the connotations it carries from slavery. It's a q of usage. Martin Luther king used it in the I have a dream speech, but the later Civil Rights movement, people like Malcolm X, objected to it.

    If suarez had just called him a cunt none of thus would have happened. Perhaps you're right foreign players need tutorials in how to be uncontroversially offensive.

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  77. The independent will claim tomorrow that rooney will be sold in the Jan. transfer window. Is say there's zero chance of that , but I do think fergie will exact his revenge on his brilliant but inconsistent over paid disloyal and often unprofessional manchild.

    The other good rumour is man c in for man u target Wesley snejder. It's psychological warfare ain't it... Tevez...hargreaves...now snejder...who next? Rooney?

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  78. The dictionary entry for "negro" reads as follows:

    Negro |ˈnēgrō| dated, often offensive
    noun ( pl. Negroes )
    a member of a dark-skinned group of peoples originally native to Africa south of the Sahara.

    adjective
    of or relating to such people.
    ORIGIN via Spanish and Portuguese from Latin niger, nigr- ‘black.’
    usage: The word Negro was adopted from Spanish and Portuguese and first recorded from the mid 16th century. It remained the standard term throughout the 17th–19th centuries and was used by such prominent black American campaigners as W. E. B. DuBois and Booker T. Washington in the early 20th century. Since the Black Power movement of the 1960s, however, when the term black was favored as the term to express racial pride, Negro has dropped out of favor and now seems out of date or even offensive in both US and British English. The 2010 US Census questionnaire was criticized when it retained the racial designation Negro as an option (along with Black and African Am.). The Census Bureau defended its decision, citing the 2000 Census forms, on which more than 56,000 individuals handwrote "Negro" (even though it was already on the form). Apparently, Negro continues to be the identity strongly preferred by some Americans. See also usage at black.

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    True, often offensive, but still preferred by some. But I thought he said a much harsher word based on the original description. How many games would he have gotten for (what we Americans call) the n-word? I don't think he would have known to call someone "cunt", because that doesn't translate straight from Spanish, as far as I know. He used a word that works as a cognate; a Spanish speaker knows that saying it, an English-speaker will definitely know he means "black" (as the Spanish word for the color black is negro) and a French-speaker will have some clue what he means, too. (Though the dated videos suggest that Evra has a better grasp of English than Suarez, as would be expected from someone not named Tevez who has been in the country as long as he has.)

    The cultural sensitivity is a big deal; yes, Suarez should be punished to some degree because he was almost certainly trying to be more offensive than he lets on now, but there are much dirtier words he could have used and there is no way one could expect him to know the full connotation. Would Englishmen everyone take up arms if one of their countrymen abroad was in a similar situation?

    In addition to the sensitivity training, I suppose the players should be made to parse the rulebook before signing a contract. Rule 666(d): When insulting a person, you may not refer to his skin color. You may, however, refer to his sexual orientation, what you and thousands of others have done to his sister and mother (and how much they liked it, and how much they would have charged for the night if they hadn't enjoyed themselves so much), his taste in snoods, his IQ, his religion (provided it is not that of mainstream England), and his country of origin (again, provided it is not England).

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  79. What a cunt of a start to the year. Hope to fuck it improves from here on else I be reduced to writing definitions to negro in here.

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  80. Stephen.

    Cunt can most defietly be translated, the Spanish equivalent is a frequently used word;

    coño, pronounced con yo.

    Puta is also a common curse in Spanish, Suarez choose negro, he knew what he was doing.

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  81. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16452241.stm

    Well done Liverpool,show how you've learnt from the last week or two.

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  82. Holloway2Holland said...
    manChester UNiTed.

    What's in a name?
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    What's in a name indeed H2.

    Good luck to ARSEnal today.

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  83. this one is gonna run and run isn't it... it would be possible to pick holes in virtually all of the arguments on here, if one really wanted to, but then we really would go round in circles forever; besides, i don't think anyone here is talking complete shit, rather there is generally a mixture of fair points and more questionable ones.

    there were a few things i felt compelled to add myself however:

    1. some people STILL seem to think the issue is whether or not suarez is a racist. it's not - indeed that's actually irrelevant. the question was simply whether or not he had used racially inflammatory language *in this instance*, and it seems crystal clear that he did - not because he wanted to establish himself as a racist, but because (as others have pointed out) this was the strategy most likely to wind evra up in the hope of getting him to lash out. this sort of thing used to be pretty common (some readers will recall ian wright accusing peter schmeichel of the very same thing) - these days, the authorities cannot be seen to ignore it... for very obvious reasons... so it attracts a lot more attention than it used to.

    1b. again, as has been pointed out both here and elsewhere, the reason suarez got charged and evra didn't is because evra made a complaint. (who knows, perhaps the best strategy for liverpool - if they'd stopped to think about it, instead of falling into "default innocent victim mode" - would've been for suarez to make a counter-claim against evra... bit late for that now of course!)

    1c. arguments that cultural differences allow for alternative points of view are totally specious here: it is not as if suarez was whisked from a tiny uruguayan village directly into the EPL after all. he was playing in holland before that, as we all know; holland has a sizeable black population, including plenty of footballers, so if suarez HAD been inclined to make such comments "in all innocence", this would have happened years ago and he would have long since found out that such attitudes are not received the way same way here as they may be (but probably still aren't, let's face it) back in his homeland.

    just the body language in footage of the incident tells us a lot: evra looks stunned and outraged, while suarez is sneering, CLEARLY intending to be insulting at the time.

    2. blogdignag in particular makes some very good points and argues well, but it's not at all helpful to suggest (as he seems to) that only black people (and jews..?) are justified in making accusations of racism since their ethnic groups have been persecuted in recent history. as a white englishman, i have occasionally been on the receiving end of racist abuse myself (from black people, from arabs and from celts!). i wouldn't say that any of it left me scarred for life, but it was never very pleasant and i certainly wasn't impervious to it on the grounds that my racial group hasn't suffered persecution.

    3. just to correct the same poster - the tempest is NOT an example of cultural racism (or whatever one might call it). caliban is not supposed to be a stereotype of a black man; he is intended to be understood as the base, purely physical side of ALL humanity (where ariel represents the purely spiritual aspects). ultimately prospero accepts caliban as a part of himself... the few characters in shakespeare who are specifically designated as black are *not* portrayed as shambling illiterates fwiw.

    finally... for the benefit of the poster who asked... the traditional insult for straights among gays and lesbians is "breeder" - granted that as hate speech goes, this slur lacks a certain something ;-)

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  84. That's a great post, centrifuge ....we usually debate pies not Shakespeare

    Now let me counter-correct you.

    Its wrong to say that I implied that white people can't be the end of racist abuse. Rather, you inferred this reading from what I actually posted. I've been racially abused admittedly a long time ago and I beat the fucker up. Theres no need for that kind of language. What I actually said is that its different for blacks because of the legacy of the institution of slavery, and the bnp inspired myth of white autochthony (torres no one calling for repatriation of whites now, is there). Whites dominate public life and institutions, as the macpherson inquiry found, occasionally in a racist way. You'd have to be mad to think whites are discriminated against like this in their professional life. My own profession is one if the worst offenders ...its white working class men, but dome of us ate working to change that.

    On the contrary, centrifuge, its rather unhelpful to imply that raved against edited (which exists in personal politics, of course it does, is of the same nature as racism against blacks. I think this is a failure of empathy. Asians do well in the UK but the situation with Afro- Caribbean boys in this country is dire.

    I will now explain why your wrong about the Tempest. First of all what you offer is not a correction but an alternative reading of the tempest. Again you attribute to me views I didn't express and don't hold. Heres why there's such an extensive literature on the Tempest and the discourse of colonialism... Caliban is prosperos slave. He trained him to fetch wood and tortures him physically when he refuses...but acculturation is part of his oppression "you taught me your language and my profit on it is I can curse you" Cal says to his oppressor. This is why he's not just sn image of natural man as you claim - he's Other, beast- like, demonised (his mother is the witch sycorax, he tries to rape Miranda ...I would have peopled the isle with little Caliban he says) in other words a good example of Edward saids concept of orientalism...the representation by western culture of other cultures as deserving of exploitation, including slavery.

    You're right prosperos accepts Caliban - this thing of darkness I acknowledge mine - but that's just a recognition of how he is responsible for Calibans resentful plots.

    Ariel is a spirit yes, but hes also the Good Slave who does what he's told. The new world has just been opened up ...the first British colonies in jamestown (failed) and Bermuda have just been established. What do ee find the finest western mind considering? How to exploit alien races. My argument was...the tempest is s great example of how embedded this essentially racist mode of thought is in the western mind ie why suarez should not, despite all the apologists on here and elsewhere, have used that fucking word.

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  85. Just re read that post ...sorry about my phones predefined testing ....for Torres read that's etc etc

    You ok Bo? Chin up mate.

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  86. centrifuge said...
    blogdignag in particular makes some very good points and argues well
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    Well there's a sentence I never thought I'd hear.

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  87. If this was an GCSE exam paper on Shaky Spears Tempest, who would get the better marks,Blog or centrifuge.

    Again it will always depend on a prejudged, possibly biased viewpoint of an examiner.

    Its going to take a long time for racism, if ever to be eradicated but things are moving along for the better(maybe JT will get his just desserts).I suspect if the old Evra case occurred now there would be a different outcome.

    On another literary plain, it took till the early 80's for a certain GW word to be removed from Noddy books, which one of two of us on here probably read as kids. because of the offensive use of its shortened form

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  88. No I'm not ok blog. Been a bastard of a year and only just got into it. Monday 2nd I got a $300 speeding fine. Tuesday 3rd I fell off a rock and busted my hand so bad it needed two days in hospital and surgery to fix it. Then I come in here and everyone is waxing lyrical with fucking volume sized posts. What the fuck is there to like about 2012 so far.

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  89. Also, lets not pretend for a second that Suarez was the first footy player to wind up an opponent using a racist slur. It surely has been happening for year, and footy players know to give as good as they get. {"You black cunt." "Really, thats what i said to you mother yday"). This was just the first time someone complained (shocked that it was evra). So hold off on the outrage as if Suarez has introdced racist taunts into English football.
    He got what he deserved, he wasnt smart enough as everyone else in insulting or defending himself and if this goes some distance in eliminating such language then power to the FA. Most likely, all it will do is get the players to ensure they say stuff that can have multiple interpretations.

    As for the 'there are kids watching this' argument, for christs sake, if your kids emulate footy players in their daily lives, then their parents need to take a serious look into the nearest mirror.

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  90. Ha ha watching Thompson sweat on Sky Sports News when asked if the past few weeks have been a PR disaster for Liverpool!

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  91. AnfieldHopeful said...

    So hold off on the outrage as if Suarez has introdced racist taunts into English football.
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    I haven't read anything anywhere saying Suarez brought racist taunts into English football. Think you may have just made that up.
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    AnfieldHopeful said...

    As for the 'there are kids watching this' argument, for christs sake, if your kids emulate footy players in their daily lives, then their parents need to take a serious look into the nearest mirror.
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    I'd agree with you there. But I'm sure you didn't hold the same view with Rooney last season.

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  92. Actually I did Rod. Made a similar comment on the Rooney saga as well as JT shagging the ex-bridge. My views on life in general are not subject to my support of my football team. Might have probably been a good thing if we could all say the same.

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  93. RodTheFierce said...
    AnfieldHopeful said...

    So hold off on the outrage as if Suarez has introdced racist taunts into English football.
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    I haven't read anything anywhere saying Suarez brought racist taunts into English football. Think you may have just made that up.
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    Read again Rod. I said 'as if' implying the level of discussion suggests this never happened before.

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  94. Now we're on the Little Mermaid eh? Come on Ye Whites.

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  95. Roger The Dodger, we're exactly the same age nearly.

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  96. ooops, just to clarify, when I post "Come on Ye Whites" it's not in a white supremacist type of way, it's purely in support of my team who dress themselves in white shirts!

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  97. Hey blog, do any of your mates in Essex play golf? If they do get them to check out a new competition that my step brothers have set up with the chance to win a golfing trip to Stoke Park 5* hotel or a new set of custom fit clubs. Details at.......

    http://www.golfdaysuk.co.uk/main/essex-tour-2012---the-race-to-stoke-park

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  98. Well that does it,we really are beyond all hope.Racism from players and fans,Shawcross tackles,Henry hand balls,diving Un**ed players,they've all caused uproar.But this.....this is the final straw.

    Colch flogging his family golf competitions to us.

    tut tut.

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  99. I'm not flogging anything jacks. This competition sells itself.

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  100. I don't suppose you've got any snake oil have you Colch?

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  101. "Wow,exactly as I left it!"- Thiery Henry on seeing Arsenal's trophy cabinet.

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  102. AnfieldHopeful said...

    Read again Rod. I said 'as if' implying the level of discussion suggests this never happened before.

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    Ok fair enough....so whats your point then? Hes not that bad a guy because he didn't originate racism in football???

    We're slagging the "wee man" because hes a little cunt who tries to piss opponents off by intentionally using racist language. We haven't even talked about how hes a diver, a cheat and a biter. Your club should be ashamed of themselves.

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  103. Blogs and Centrufuge.

    Think you guys need a side bar, your confusing the locals, with all this edjamacated, shaky speary, got from booky stuffy, knowledge.

    Give me a Jaffa Cake Pie flavoured Pot Noodle.

    Touche Jacks, not gonna bother retorting with Tracter Boy jibes, Fish in a barrel, etc etc. ;)

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  104. Cold pavement indeed
    the night you died,
    murdered;
    but the airborne drop of blood
    from your wound
    was a seed
    your mother sewed
    into hard ground –
    your life's length doubled,
    unlived, stilled,
    till one flower, thorned,
    bloomed
    in her hand,
    love's just blade.

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  105. Sorry this is the fucking guardians cunting book page ain't it (belch)

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  106. I don't socialise with golfers, colch. Cunts the lot of em. (except you trott, I know you're trying to give up)

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  107. Milky Adams ...
    "The message to everybody is that we're all fighting for our lives, and don't think there's nothing to play for because there's scouts at every game.
    "Their performances will determine whether they've got a future here or elsewhere."


    So he's reduced to motivating his players by saying play well and you might still be a footballer when the club does bust. Would that work for you? It doesn't work for us, 3-0 down vs the Sammy shrimpers

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  108. H - every bar should have a pseuds corner

    Boing

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  109. eh whats up trotts..first you lost bendy, now a goal down to Mendy.
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    RodTheFierce said...
    AnfieldHopeful said...

    Read again Rod. I said 'as if' implying the level of discussion suggests this never happened before.

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    RodTheFierce said...
    Ok fair enough....so whats your point then? Hes not that bad a guy because he didn't originate racism in football???

    We're slagging the "wee man" because hes a little cunt who tries to piss opponents off by intentionally using racist language. We haven't even talked about how hes a diver, a cheat and a biter. Your club should be ashamed of themselves.
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    er..my point is that the sense of outrage belies the fact every team everyone supports has one or more players capable and/or guilty of racists windups.

    As for my club being ashamed of having cheats/divers et al, mate, you have a way headstart on us. We'll come back when we have as many.

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  110. GOALFLASH Macclesfield 2-2 Bolton (David Wheater)
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    There's hope yet trotts.

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  112. Rod and AH.

    Every club has it's cuntbuckets. I personally think L'pool could have handled the situation better, but to say that they should be ashamed of themselves for the action of one is going a bit far.

    Arsenal have had a few eejits in my time and let's not forget Rod, that you've had more then your fair share of twat spatulars, on and off the field at Utd.

    I'm not defending Suarez in any way shape or form, but I agree he's not the first, the only or even the last that will use such tactics, however he was the first that got tattled on, by all people, Evra, who himself is an obnoxious little wind up merchant. Yet Evra has done it previously in a smart way. "Men against Boys" being a perfect example. A well worded insult, designed for the pure purpose of winding up his opponents.

    We're never going to be able to irradicate the
    banter, for lack of a better word, be it friendly, abusive, or sexually orietated out of the game. In todays society racialy tinted abuse is rightly deemed unacceptable and the FA have made an example of Suarez.

    BUT, now a precedent has been set there is no turing back. The proverbial flood gates will now open, everytime a player feels racial abuse he can now go to the FA and expect his abuser to be heavily sanctioned. If the FA fail to do this then the whole game will be brought into disrepute.

    Watch this space.

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  113. AnfieldHopeful said...

    er..my point is that the sense of outrage belies the fact every team everyone supports has one or more players capable and/or guilty of racists windups.
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    Yeah.....ofcourse they do. I can tell you now if a player at United behaved anywhere near as disgracefully as Suarez, Fergie would've thrown them to the lions.

    AnfieldHopeful said...

    As for my club being ashamed of having cheats/divers et al, mate, you have a way headstart on us. We'll come back when we have as many.
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    Evidence? And I don't just mean any evidence because all team's players dive every-so-often. But if United have players that are such a cheating/diving bunch, wheres the week-in week-out evidence that..... lets say Suarez exhibits?

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  114. 3-1 down to Hull now.

    Oh well,to Hull and back empty handed.

    1978 seems a long time ago now.

    Have a good weekend all.

    Football.To sleep,perchance to dream.

    Triple hemlocks all round then.

    TTFN

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  115. no way am I givin' up Blog, I love golf, last year the back injury robbed me of the US Open as I couldn't put me shoes and socks on but this year it's a new me, a stone and a half heavier with a new cap. Look out!

    The Redcar Rock saves the day, good bye Gary Cahill, thanks for your service.

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  116. jacksofbuxton said...
    3-1 down to Hull now.

    Oh well,to Hull and back empty handed.

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    Like I said mate, fsh in a barrel.

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  117. True Rod, excellently made point. I am sure there is no evidence that Cristiano Ronaldo ever dived. Wonder what put that idea into my head?

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  118. Holloway2Holland said...

    ..to say that they should be ashamed of themselves for the action of one is going a bit far.
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    I'm referring to the 100% support of Suarez and comments Liverpool have made. Not the actual actions by Suarez.

    Holloway2Holland said...
    Yet Evra has done it previously in a smart way. "Men against Boys" being a perfect example. A well worded insult, designed for the pure purpose of winding up his opponents.
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    He said this after the game though, and it was after Arsenal players said in the build up they played the better football. I appreciate you're trying to balance out the argument H2H but that just isn't a fair, well, a strong argument. Saying after a game you were better than the other team is absolutely fine.

    Holloway2Holland said...
    In todays society racialy tinted abuse is rightly deemed unacceptable and the FA have made an example of Suarez.
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    Suarez wasn't made an example of. I've never seen a case where a player repeatedly said a racist word to another pro. Even Busquets monkey jibe wasn't as bad as he only said it twice.

    Holloway2Holland said...
    BUT, now a precedent has been set there is no turing back. The proverbial flood gates will now open, everytime a player feels racial abu1se he can now go to the FA and expect his abuser to be heavily sanctioned. If the FA fail to do this then the whole game will be brought into disrepute.
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    Absolutely if a player does was Suarez did, ban him. Also remember the fact that Suarez made the investigation as difficult as possible by lying probably caused his ban to be 8 games. If he showed honesty, humility and remorse his ban would have been less.

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    Absolutely. Don't get me wrong H2H, I'm not having a go at you, I'm just putting my opinion across. I'm not the biggest fan of Evra purely because hes a bit of a hot-head and can lose concentration at times. But at the very least he is an honest player.

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  119. Manchester City manager Roberto Mancini has expressed concern at the spending limitations being placed on him and declared that his club need to buy again now if they are to drive home their ascendancy.
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  120. AnfieldHopeful said...
    True Rod, excellently made point. I am sure there is no evidence that Cristiano Ronaldo ever dived. Wonder what put that idea into my head?
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    Come on AH, you need to do better than that. I like to think of Ronaldo in the same way we think about the weather in the UK. We always complain about it raining ALL the time when in actual fact most of the time it doesn't. This is true about Ronaldo. When he started at United he dived all over the place but Fergie beat it out of him. But because of his first couple of years he gets branded as a serial diver. I can tell you with 100% confidence Suarez dives way more than Ronaldo does. But sure ok I'll let you have it just to humour you. But what about nowadays. Who in the united team dives and cheats week-in week-out?

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  121. All the standard jokes apart, I think Henry and RvP make an awesome frontline pair. I always held him as one of the better players the PL had seen (really wish the incident against the Irish never happened) and even today he is miles ahead of the Bendtners of the world.

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  122. Really Rod. 'Any evidence' wont do, neither will 'evidence not from today'. In that case, who in the Liverpool team dived in 1954?

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  123. I respect your opinions Rod, don't always agree with them, but respect them none the less.

    I personally don't know if other players have abused more or less then Suarez did, I think there's probably been quite a few cases that have been swept under the rug, but this is more of a huch then a matter of fact.

    The first player of colour I remember at Arsenal was Paul Davies, I used to stand in the Clock End at Highbury and the racial abuse he got from the visiting supporters (and to shame even some home supporters) was sickening.

    We like to think as a society we have evolved and in many aspects, we have, however the days of monkey noises being made on the terraces are not that long ago, they're not as common, yet they still exsist.

    Adebayor, a current favourite at WHL surely must remember the Elephant song that used to come from the same "fans" that now cheer him on.

    Inherient racism is still ripe in the UK and all over Europe. If sport can help irradicate it, then this is a good thing, but ultimetly it's down to society to do so.

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  124. AH.

    Henry will be an impact sub at best, I believe.

    He's not come to be our saviour, just a back up player. Any Arsenal fan expecting more then that is highly delusional (most of them then ;))

    I can't help being a little excited though.

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  125. I agree H2. I think my joy at having Henry back is more out of nostalgia than anything else, but that said I still think he could give several top flight strikers a run for their money.

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  126. AnfieldHopeful said...
    Really Rod. 'Any evidence' wont do, neither will 'evidence not from today'. In that case, who in the Liverpool team dived in 1954?
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    Ahh AH, you know fair well this point stems from you saying all teams have cheaters/WUMs in their team. Therefore as you said united currently must have such a player.

    But anyway sure we'll just leave it there, whatever (hold hands up), you're completely right. Liverpool should win the league by default they've been so horribly treated. What happened in the Liverpool-Man U match was normal and happens in every single game of football.

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  127. Trott you think you love it.that's how the drug works. I lied to colch - some of my friends have fallen ill with golf. it infiltrates the body like a virus. the illusion of physical activity. the swinging. the ocd. the pringle fetishism. but you can kick the habit. you CAN do it. good luck, old digital pseudo-friend. i know it won't be easy.

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  129. Will Liverpool be printing 30,000 shirts in support of the their fan, next home game then? :)

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  130. Hello all. I had to re-jiggle the name as it seemed a bit longish. Now then...Wots Da big Oidea as Alan Partridge once said? I think that was a bit racist but it was a cracking episode.

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  131. Welcome comcon and all new posters as the gene pool here was getting a little bit Norwich.

    I think Liverpool are planning to goose step out onto the pitch on their next outing, in gestapo uniforms, KD driving a tiger tank drug healing* in his reichsfuhrer get up. They won't play the game they'll simply invade Poland and exterminate 6 million jews. They'll then claim it was all some kind of silly cross cultural misunderstanding and it was the Jews fault, except that they didn't really do it anyway.

    * (that should have read seig heiling but ill leave it)

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  132. Joey Barton has threatened to quit playing Football Manager, the computer game, because his own in-game character is annoying him so much.
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    No comment necessary.

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    Welcome indeed to all the newbies.

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  133. i do apologise everybody. i am not properly socialised these days, wife and kid and solitary longdistance blogging, just escaped from soul-destroying job (into possibly another one, but with better pay etc) - since i became a parent i no longer hang out on any forums really :-S

    but i do follow sport closely, especially football and cricket and have read robbo for several years (on blogger that usually inc. comments). rude of me to barge in and drop that oversized monstrosity, i realised belatedly... it did make points and they were mostly about the old "negrogate", or at least football, but there are better ways of going about it... gimme a nother chance... quite apart from anything else i would be a fucking lying cunt if i said i didn't love a good swear [btw, leaving the bbc set you free mate, as you show with how sparingly and effectively you deploy that shit -!]

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  134. AnfieldHopeful - and indeed anyone else who still thinks there's a bit of mileage in this - which there always is of course... i know now that most people didn't read my earlier doorstop but i did mention in there something you may or may not recall (?) - ian wright accusing peter schmeichel of racially abusing him, back in, let's see, i was living in (enfield) southgate at the time (swansea these days, still a villa supporter for my sins tho), that makes it 1996-8ish. storm in a teacup, soon forgotten in those days. no big kick out racism campaign yet. (or was there?) i remember talking to my (late) dad about it and he said, well of course he did, everyone knows wright is a hothead and guys will know which buttons to push, it's very possible he called him a coon or something - wouldn't even have to be a racist to do it, just cynical enough. (btw... if this idea makes you instantly uncomfortable, sit with it a minute)

    ok, so it's STILL never acceptable of course - if any change is going to happen then an absolute zero-tolerance policy is required. i don't see that's debatable really.

    but where this all gets really interesting is if we compare with zidane:

    the italians had done their homework. a racial slur on a guy like that, as experienced as him, would just have bounced off him without a flicker - just as it would off desailly, not that anyone would dare (this is in both cases partly because the whole issue of race is complex for them anyway - one nationality, a different ethnicity). BUT the arab in zizou cannot possibly tolerate any remarks about his sister (i believe that is what is generally accepted to have been said, people will quickly enough correct me if i'm wrong). if he does let it pass, for that instant he may as well castrate himself in public - is what he would *feel*, never mind that it wasn't said within anyone else's earshot of course... he has said repeatedly since that there is still no way he could let it pass even now. so one of the italians, can't remember his name, takes one for the team - and zz, the guy who took the ball away from brazil at the whistle and wouldn;t let them play with it until after they'd been sent packing, is off the pitch and the coupe du monde is the coppa del mondo.

    (the great irony of this btw is that the frenchman in zidane wouldn't give a tin shit about being told that his sister was a whore or whatever..!)

    it's all complex innit... see, the stats nerd in me gets all its kicks out of (test) cricket, not football, but the latter has a limitless tendency to place human character under spotlight and strain... among other appeals... i could never go to matches of course, neither patient enough nor sociable enough :)

    soz for another long post but i hope it's more engaging than the last big'n!!

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  135. (btw blog, i deleted the earlier follow-up post cos in case you hadn't gathered, at that stage the penny still hadn't dropped for me... not used to dealing with sockpuppets! tho i can see the appeal/necessity... there is more i wanna take up, firstly about what you say regarding racism specifically against blacks *in britain* - but i'm not gonna do it tonight, don't worry! as for the other thing - that will never be raised again on these pages, way too far off-topic (though there are a few things i would love to say to you, esp. regarding not placing too much trust in the disinterest of academics, even those whose names are worth dropping (..!) - i guess that conversation would prob'ly have to involve alcohol... for all concerned!) BUT excuse my earlier assumption about received opinions, i understand it pissed you off and i do see why - truth is i am so used to catching people (of all levels of education) out on unchecked borrowed "opinions" that i see the buggers everywhere :) (they usually ARE everywhere as well - our shallow society encourages people to form opinions as if they came free with a box of cereal...)


    no more from me tonight i promise

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  136. So everyone agrees suarez is not a racist but he did use a clearly racist term to try to wind evra up and it backfired and he got punished for it?

    What the fuck are you lot still on about?

    Just because suarez is the only one who got caught and punished it doesn't make it an isolated case nor does it make it unfair on suarez.

    Calling someone a nigger or a variation there of is racist and offence is there to be taken. If you don't get it, you are an ignorant or a bigot or both.

    Happy ?

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  137. centrifuge said...
    golf sucks cock btw.
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    Those sound like the words of a bloke who sucks cock on a golf course.

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  138. For fucks sake centrifuge, don't ever concern yourself with being off topic on these pages. This is the first blog since I have been coming here where there has been a number of comments that remotely equate to being considered on topic.

    Just wish you would all reduce the size of your posts, my attention span is too small to allow me to read the fucking things.

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  139. Calling someone a nigger or a variation there of is racist and offence is there to be taken. If you don't get it, you are an ignorant or a bigot or both.
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    Well said Spit... thank fuck someone has written something sensible for a change.

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  140. Come on AH, you need to do better than that. I like to think of Ronaldo in the same way we think about the weather in the UK. We always complain about it raining ALL the time when in actual fact most of the time it doesn't. This is true about Ronaldo.
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    The words of a delusional Un**ed fan. Fucking hell Rod even you cannot believe what you have written there. You are trying to defend a man that spent more time on the ground than a legless beggar and not even laughing while doing so. You are amazing.

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  141. I'm starting to think that maybe the Mayans were right after all. This really could be the beginning of the end of the world. Yesterday blog was told he argues well and makes some very good points and today Spit is told he's written something sensible. That must surely be the first two of the four horsemen of the apocolypse. The last two have got to be Rod posting something accepting any small flaw with Man United and Jacks realising what a good manager Roy Keane was for Ipswich.

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  142. funnily enough no, i just watch way too much south park :)

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  143. (... and, like, several grown men's bodyweight in porn over the years... ahem. anyway that's what passes for a normal putdown in this household..!)

    soz btw trott, i thought i was dissing golf in a surefire "everyone agrees" ploy and clean forgot being told that there was one guy who DOESN'T. er, what can i say, my occasional loquacity has been known to be accompanied by short-term memory loss, draw yer own as they say :)

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  144. rod, AH, that's very true about divers generally in the prem - the penny may take time to drop but they have to wake up and get shamed out of it eventually. drogba used to go down laughably easily too let's not forget (seems hard to believe now when the guy is regarded with awe like a human battering ram... when he can bothered these days) - other guys like ginola, klinsmann going back a bit (bilic of course, most notoriously on the biggest stage of all - not in the EPL i don't think, he was always regarded with respect with fellow pros - and still is of course, though i bet he has trouble looking laurent blanc in the eye even now) - overseas it's just expected, even the big strong guys have no shame in doing it (batistuta!) and it takes time to learn. they eventually do of course, the good ones can all usually go on and score if they stay upright anyway.

    honestly can't remember whether or not ronaldo continued to dive, or when exactly he stopped doing it if not. you're right enough rod, the reputation sure stuck cos that's the way i remember him. but then he wasn't playing for my club and "neutrals" never were, in that guy's case...

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  145. cent - it didn't piss me off at all, mate. even if it did, so what? say what you like on this obscure corner of the internet, only 3 people will read it anyways and 2 of them will be drunk and one of them will be an idiot.

    its like Derek Acorahs Ghosttowns on here.....

    -I'm standing here at this moment in the dark and I sense we are being monitored .... and we are being watched..... would I be right in thinking theres someone there who is interested in football?

    -(nods head vigorously) Yes. that's amazing.

    -does his team play in red?

    - (nods, sobs quietly)

    -wait I'm getting more. he's wearing a racist t-shirt and under his arm he's got...what is it...a hub cap

    - (breaks down in tears) yes yes yes.... its anfieldhopeless...

    - hold on there's more (concentrates) .... he's being attacked .... someone is attacking him...no it can't be....someone is attacking hum with a ...with a ....turtle?

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  146. Ah recognition at last... I'm the idiot.

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  147. ....wait theres more...

    - who, Derek, who?

    ... I'm sensing we're on the moon.... theres no atmosphere at all .... there's an eagle ....

    - eagle? the Apollo lander?

    ....no this is a man dressed as an eagle...

    - wait. There's a football match going on. No its not football. Can't be. Yes yes it'd a football match, but not as we know it... nothing is happening....no ones there....except some twat with a drum (derek starts to make cuckoo noises..then begins to shout) THERES NO ONE WATCHING THERES NO ONE WATCHING (stabs his eyes out with a compass )

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  148. (for anyone who's fortunate enough to have never watched Colchester united, that one was for colch)

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  149. BojanglesOfOz said...
    Ah recognition at last... I'm the idiot.
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    And I'm one of the drunks

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  150. you totally forgot about the rest of us blog; the drunk idiots that it,
    we'd be offended if we weren't who we are,

    --BeeZee

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  151. LMFAO

    (as they say in the nerderlands... or so i believe)

    ok, so, back when i lived in north london(ish) a guy called robbie bird was the pinup striker for - who? chelmsford (i think?) or colchester? (i remember the posters on bus shelters... can't remember the - other - advertised product funnily enough)

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  152. Scholes inclusion smacks a bit of desperation by old Rudolph

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  153. BojanglesOfOz said...

    The words of a delusional Un**ed fan. Fucking hell Rod even you cannot believe what you have written there. You are trying to defend a man that spent more time on the ground than a legless beggar and not even laughing while doing so. You are amazing.
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    I stick by what I said. People base their opinion on Ronaldo on his first 2 seasons. I think it stuck primarily because of wink-gate, his spice boy image and the fact he plays for Manchester United. Of course he went to ground easily (as all flair players do) but in terms of diving (going down after no contact) all the time, nah you're blinded by hate. Hes no Suarez.

    But on a lighter, well ginger note. Scholes is back!

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  154. Com+Con said...
    Scholes inclusion smacks a bit of desperation by old Rudolph
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    I don't see it like that at all. Desperation would be going out and buying an average player at an inflated price.

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  155. never mind being on the bench, where is the real STGP?

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  156. Not usually a critic of refs, but that was a terrible decision

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  157. Com+Con said...
    Scholes inclusion smacks a bit of desperation by old Rudolph
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    I don't see it like that at all. Desperation would be going out and buying an average player at an inflated price.
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    Fair point. Looks like he may not have to come on anyway. His mere presence on the bench psychically nobbled Kompany's tackling ability

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  158. They spent a gazillion quid, yet crashed out of the CL and now the FA cup at the first hurdle.

    Blue Moon rising my arse.

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  159. Thats a bit harsh H

    yes IOU are thru, but Citeh did show a bit of character to come back with 2 goals and probably wont hurt them too much

    Are you wishing up your own teams chances?

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  160. H2H, we'd wish them ill luck in the league too if it weren't for spurs winning it instead.

    can't make my mind up who I'd rather see winning, its local hate vs. money bags... guess I would go with money bags, as spurs winning it would be a slap too many on Wenger,

    (mind you, like we have often said spurs are no paupers themselves, but I like their way of healthy spending to build a deep squad, its very Fergie-esque, there I go praising two of the things I revile the most in one prose...)

    --BeeZee

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  161. We ain't playing for any title tone, we are just playing for 4th position this year, anything else would be a bonus, (so would be 4th considering how poor our squad is and how much money the other 6 teams spent)

    --BeeZee

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  162. ''Paul Scholes to make FA Cup history. The first ever player to be stretchered on.''

    --BeeZee

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  163. hahaha. fuckin'ell... that really what i just missed while out shopping for toddler's first pink dolly? anyway, and really, it was a poor perf by vincent "award pending" kompany which contributed? taggart must love that. mc numpty meanwhile will have to do another of his regular climbdowns. the guy is a liability robbo. you are so well outta there :)

    (interesting to see what if anything alan hansen has to say too... about kompany i mean... everyone has an off day tho. hey, but how come j. paxman isn't asking hansen for an insider's view on the 'pool "redwash"? and refusing to take any flannel, heheh)

    still citeh for the prem tho eh? no way are spurs gonna pull that one off ( = may never get the chance, if they offer redknapp england..?)

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  164. Ofcourse Iam Tone, but thats not it.

    It's just that (imho) they've made a mockery of the league and the whole transfer system. They've over inflated the worth of every player on the planet and given ridiculous deals to players who are not worth half of what they are paying them. Teves gets over a mil a mounth to not even be in the country, WTF?????

    They also have a surplus of plaers, e.g Adebayor who they lend out to rival clubs, who can't afford them, meaning they cough up more then 50% of their salaries, distorting the league even futher.

    Chelski was bad enough, but what these guys are doing is beyond ridiculous. Mancini was even complaining this week that he needs more money for more players. How sad is that?

    I'm no fan of United, but I do respect them because they earned their success on the field and invested wisely in the infrastructure of the club, expanding ground capacity, globalisation of the brand etc etc. The debts that they have today is because of the absurd way that the Glaziers were allowed to take over the club and not from over extending their budget or living beyond their means.

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  165. "but I like their way of healthy spending to build a deep squad"

    No CL next season and half that squad will be gone.

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  166. RodTheFierce said...
    Com+Con said...
    Scholes inclusion smacks a bit of desperation by old Rudolph
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    I don't see it like that at all. Desperation would be going out and buying an average player at an inflated price.

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    I agree with that Rod, however, as far as I know,Scholes hasn’t kicked a ball in a competetive match since the end of last season.
    (please correct me if I'm wrong)To bring him on in an FA cup derby game, to me, was a massive gamble.

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  167. H
    To a certain extent I agree with you esp Mancinis comment about money
    Also same respect for IOU

    respect for good football,and that for this season includes ManC and Spurs

    respect generally for refs tho Foy got the red card wrong, Nani didnt seem to be upset by the tackle, it seemed to be boy Wazza brandishibg 2 fingers at Foy that got the decision

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  168. Tone.

    I haven't seen the incident, or to be honest, most of the game, so I really can't comment on that.

    The Spuds are indeed doing well too.

    *runs off to wash filthy taste out of mouth*

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  169. I disagree Tone. It was a two footed challenge with both feet off the ground and studs showing. Had to be a red card. Fortunately Nani jumped out of the way so he didn't get floored. It doesn't matter that Kompany got the ball it was dangerous. But Foy did have a shocker. Man U should've had a penalty at 3-1 and then Man City could equally have got one for the Jones handball.

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  170. I agree with Colch. Nowadays 2 footed challenges give refs the legal right to brandish red. In this case it looked really harmless as he got the ball and got nothing of Nani, but a couple of inches here or there and it could have been really nasty for Nani.

    Foy did get it wrong with both penalty shouts, and the fact that it evened out doesnt really exonerate him.

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  171. FBH's Yarm seems to be attracting players involved in fracas being arrested
    First Bramble, now Downing

    The Cross Keys, know it well

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  172. .... nah you're blinded by hate. Hes no Suarez.
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    Au contraire Rodney, my hatred for Un**ed is indeed very focused.

    As for the Suarez throw away, I think you are wrong there too. They are both good players, both have a higher opinion of themsleves than I have and they both share the distinction of being wankers.. high priced wankers to boot.

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  173. If Arsenal cant win the PL this season (which they can't) I would much prefer to see the spuds take it out than either of the manc teams.

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  174. never mind being on the bench, where is the real STGP?
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    He spends his days entertaining the good folk at Twitter, Tone. Twitter's gain and our loss unfortunately.

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  175. BojanglesOfOz said...
    If Arsenal cant win the PL this season (which they can't) I would much prefer to see the spuds take it out than either of the manc teams.
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    oh no!!!

    Bo's been poccessed by the devil, he's speaking in tongues.

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  176. QPR got rid of that twat, ever since he opened his mouth about RVP he was doomed :D

    --BeeZee

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  177. BTW.

    It looks like Colin Wanker has got the spanish archer.

    Hope he takes Barton with him.

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  178. and Fergie has to take his team to Anfield in the 4th round... teehee

    wonder who he will bring out of retirement for this one,

    --BeeZee

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  179. Blasphemy Bo!

    --BeeZee

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  180. Sorry guys. It was a rush of blood, it wont happen again.

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  181. It's good to have friends that will pull you back from the edge of darkness when you stray.

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  182. indeedy. maybe not so good to have "friends" who press you back into active service with little or no warning (scholes) - and with questionable motivation ... maybe just sheer desperation... still, something worked apparently...

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  183. Glad to see that Ed Milliband has a "plan" for the Labour Party. It's a cunning plan. As cunning as a fox with a degree in cunning from the cunning university. And as soon as Blackadder and Lord Melchett get back then Baldrick, I mean Ed, will be letting us know what his cunning plan is.

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  184. McNumpty is at it again. BBC uses tracking cookies, so I visit there first for a couple of minutes before coming here.
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    I am not Anonymous -- I am Profile

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  185. The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder
    of lost children.

    You're welcome Bo, sir.

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