Once again football has been dominated by one issue this last week and indeed over the weekend.
No it's not the fact that a toddler's got more chance of finishing a bowl of soup with a plastic fork than Luis Suarez has of finishing a decent chance. It's not even the question as to why the Wayne Rooney who plays for Manchester United turns out wearing normal football boots, whereas the one in the England shirt wears boots made out of a fluffy Victoria sponge. No, it's not even the fact that Harry Redknapp continues to make the rest of the pundits on Match of the Day look like chumps of the highest order.
No, it's race. And racism. And what to do about it.
Jason Roberts sounded like a lone voice in the wilderness when he said he'd not wear his 'Kick It Out' t-shirt on Saturday. Certainly Sir Alex Ferguson seemed to think so, even snidely coupling Roberts's standpoint with his role as a TV pundit. So when Rio Ferdinand avoided putting one on too, the Govan Beetroot's face grew more purply than ever.
Fortunately, the issue has been sorted at United, not least because the rest of football's top managers rather thought it was down to the individual players to decide whether they wanted to wear the t-shirt or not, what with them being grown-ups and all. (I still wonder whether the adults at Liverpool Football Club really wanted to wear those Suarez supporting t-shirts but that's for them, too, I guess).
Mark Hughes said that it's hard to eradicate racism from the game entirely but "Any campaign that looks to address an ill in our game and in society needs to be
supported irrespective of the fact of whether they are doing enough or not."
Well yes and no, Sparky. I mean I'm sure Nick Griffin thinks that he is addressing a lot of ills in our society but I don't think I'm going to signing up for his solution.
It looks like Roberts, Ferdinand et al are disassociating themselves from a campaign that almost every other footballer has signed up to and undermining the consensus. So the question is 'Why?'
The amount of money the Kick It Out campaign receives would make a football agent blush. In 2010-11, it was less than half a million pounds, or 2 weeks of Carlos Tevez's wages. Or the daily rate for John Terry's lawyers. Or the amount of cash the latest posh twats on Grand Designs have found down the back of their Chesterfield sofa to spend on a new build in the shape of an oyster-shell on the harbour-front at Whitstable or some such bloody place. Yawn. It is, as the modern parlance might have it, fuck-all.
Furthermore, Kick It Out hasn't played an enormous role in the recent issues surrounding the Uruguayan tumbler and the Chelsea skipper - and yes, despite everything, Terry remains the club captain. That's just embarrassing. That might have something to do with why some black players don't think the race issue is being addressed properly.
In a statement Kick It Out states that: Kick It Out said it "works in partnership with the game's governing bodies"
and added: "We are not a decision-making organisation with power and resource as
some people think, and can only work effectively in the context of these
partnerships."
In other words, we're not up to much really. We can't do anything. We do go round chatting to people and reminding them not to be horrible to each other. But we don't make the decisions. And frankly if I was a black player I'd start to wonder what the point of the whole thing was.
It's much like Sepp Blatter, a man who so patently treats the game with contempt, urging football to get behind this Respect campaign. It takes a lot more than a few handshakes and some nice tee-shirts to imbue respect and anti-racism.
We might start by banning Serbia from international competition until it sorts its scumbags out. Sinisa Mihajlovic, the current national manager, is a cast-iron racist. Unsurprisingly he was much-loved at Lazio, whose fan base loves a monkey chant and yet is ironically unevolved itself. There's a decent column on Mihajlovic here: http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/football/sinisa-mihajlovic-a-history-of-violence.18786287
He's more complicated than he seems, and Vieira, for all his high-mindedness, was just as guilty of racism during a spat with the Serb, but nevertheless there's no debating the accusation. (Yes he was very good at free kicks too but then Mussolini made the trains run on time, Enoch Powell had a way with words and Josef Goebbels simply loved his kitten.)
And it wasn't very long ago that black Britons were subject to the usual crowd hoots in Spain and that led to the sort of smack on the hand that wouldn't make a three-year-old wince. In other words there's a history of quiet toleration around such issues.
On the one hand Kick It Out and Respect parade around wearing the badges of genuine concern but when an issue has to be tackled head-on the FA or UEFA or FIFA are less Lee Cattermole and more Daniel Sturridge. At their worst, they are Lip Service in action.
Now three-quarters of the funding for Kick It Out comes from the FA, the Premier League and the Professinal Footballers' Association. It is by definition dependent. And it's hard for a dependent organisation to criticise those on which it depends. (Although my kids don't seem to have any bother having a pop at us, the ungrateful beggars). Many would like Kick It Out to be independent.
There's a way this can be done but it might mean that footballers give up a little more of their paltry weekly wages to fund it. Perhaps 1% to get it up and running. They could certainly afford it in these austere times and it would certainly give the campaign fresh impetus and single-mindedness. Maybe clubs could offer up a proportion of their gate receipts, too, if they really want to help.
Let's be clear, racism in British football is nowhere near the issue it was when Clyde Best was enduring obscene chanting, not least from the terraces at Ayresome Park. Old 'Arry was right about that on Match of the Day. But that's still no reason not to stamp it our where you find it.
And if Kick it Out isn't helping then what is the point of it?
First again?!
ReplyDeleteSolid as always, Robbo. As a budding researcher, I immediately wondered if I could get funding to test the Suarez v Soup situation. Then I wondered why players wouldn't go along with your idea of 1% funding for an independent Kick It Out campaign. Then I realized that only one of those two ideas is likely to be funded (and win me an Ig Nobel, perhaps). Anyone for soup?
ReplyDeleteJason Roberts is a cunt!!!!! So is Anton & RIO!!!!
ReplyDeleteThe only guy with some credibility is Danny Rose!!!!
As a African, I say FUCK ALL THE RACISTS IN EUROPE!!!!! Football is more than a sport! It's a global languange!!! European football is watch by & loved by the entire world! EPL, Serie A, La Liga, Budesliga, these competitions do not belong to those nations! The richest nations scour the globe looking for the best talent. That talent could be black, yellow, pink, purple, blue!!!! So fuck throwing bananas at quality black players who didn't ask to be there. They were purchased for their abilities. As for the Ferdinand fucks, just shake hands & move on with the footy u fuckin assholes
Agreed! Football is universal! Fuck all these eastern european racist cunts. Get them all into one shitty country like latvia & blow them all up..........i say.
DeleteHalf a million is that all they get? And most of that is wasted on unworn t-shirts.
ReplyDeleteKick it Out is like the Women's Institute and protesting about the WI not throwing themselves in front of Frankel or not burning their bras (not least becaude they're vast cast iron twin cantilever constructions like the Humber Bridge) seems a not odd to me. Put thy money where thy mouth is.
Which is not to say it should just be down to black players. How about a Racism Levy. Anyone found guilty pays half a million to a paramilitary anti-racist group, first "hit" .... John Terry.
What's up with all the JT slanging??? The man was vindicated in a court of law. The FA in all their fuckin senseless wisdom decide to find him guilty regardless. A witch hunt i say, they just felt the need to make an example of someone. Preferably an englishman, preferably a former captain. Just to show the likes of anton & rio that they're serious about racism. Fuck them all! JT is a legend!
DeleteChelsea fan by any chance?
DeleteChreee
Solid blog once again RR.
ReplyDeletePersonally I think the players who refused to wear the shirts are more part of the problem then then the solution, as Blogs pointed out on the previous offering it's a bit like the dolphins protesting Greenpeace.
Maybe the campaign doesn't have the neccesary clout to punish or ban racists, but it does try to highlight the problems By boycotting it these individuals are willingly undermining the campaign and taking away the little power it does hold. Does that make you feel proud Rio, Jason and co?
Let's look at it from a different angle, hypothetically;
What do you think would of happened if a white player, let's say for example a former England captain (as is Rio) came out and said he wasn't going to don a KIO garment?
When asked why he refused to participate, he came with the explanation that he didn't think that him wearing said t-shirt would really change anything and the organisation had no real power.
What do you all think would happen then?
The shit would hit the fan and cover the game in excrament from north to south and east to west, that's what would happen.
Yet, this is the exact same reason being peddled out by those who chose not to support the scheme this weekend. Now I'm not saying that the non t-shirt wearers are racists, but to a degree they are showing intolarance and they certainly are playing the race card, ironically against an organisation that was set up to make their workplace a more tolarable place.
The whole timing of the "protest" is pretty sad too, you'd think that after the despicable way that Danny Rose was treated and the whole hullabaloo surrounding the Serbia - England clash that players in England would want to put on a united front.
Don't get me wrong, I applaud those who stand up and fight injustice, but RF is nothing but a fucking hypocrite, making inapropriate statements about "choc ices" one week while bemoaning that the crackdown on racism is not good enough the next. You can't have it both ways son. A racist is a racist no matter what the colour of your skin.
I disagree with this. Would anyone be talking about the KIO campaign if Roberts, Rio etc decided to go along with the majority and wear the t-shirt.
DeleteBy not wearing it they have (perversely) increased the media coverage of the campaign at a time when racism seems to creeping in a little more.
It also highlights that FIFA, UEFA and the FA do not do enough to combat racism. Harsher punishments need to be handed out, e.g.any proven incidents of racism, by fans and/or players, then the club should be docked points on top of the "normal" punshiment. People would then take it seriously if they missed out on promotion or winning the league by a point. Or worse still if they were relegated because of it.
Chreee
I agree with that H and in fact oompa-loompahs are the worst racists of the lot the little orange bastards
ReplyDeleteLet the players design their own t-shirts eg JTs face wearing a kkk capirote hat cancelled out with a blood red X
ReplyDeleteJoey Barton wearing an "I Kick Out" T-shirt
ReplyDeleteBarton is not racist. He's just naturally fucked up! Like lady gaga, he can truly say he was BORN THIS WAY! haha
DeleteArsenal defender Andre Santos, 29, could be on his way back to Turkey, despite only arriving at Emirates Stadium last year from Fenerbahce in a £6.2m deal.
ReplyDeleteFull story: Daily Mirror
If he drives he'll be there in no time.
Well thought out blog,Robbo -- and can some of you knobs really not get it? A fucking t-shirt's going to fix the likes of Terry and Suarez? It boggles the mind, and I'd be just as pissed as the non-wearers. Course, I'm an unrequited son of the sixties, mourning McGovern, so maybe you kids are right to place blame everywhere.
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Heh heh it gets better...if you someone a black cunt, not guilty, call someone a racist and its libel...
ReplyDeletehttp://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2012/oct/22/frankie-boyle-libel-damages-daily-mirror
I think you understand the point of the t-shirts about as well as you understand the meaning of unrequited.
ReplyDeleteBe karefulll Bloggy, us "kids" no nuffink.
Deletegood stuff Robbo. How about all the fines for racism go to fund KIO. If the powers that be just enforce it when everybody else sees it, they'll have more money than JT and LS combined in no time. Then they can give all the crowds a T shirt (and a rain coat) and let them wear the clobber too!
ReplyDeleteIm baffled by racism! we live at such an advanced time in human development, yet we still struggle as a race with something as primitive as race! For all man's advancements in technology & science, we're still a pretty fucked up race!
ReplyDeleteJohn Terry is a legend btw!
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DeleteYou spelt bellend wrong.
DeleteMonday evening....atleast im not the only one that's pissed!!!!
DeleteHeh, if you're talking angry, then no.
DeleteInebriated, then yes indeed.
JT's still the biggest cunny since the Vaginasaurus-Rex though. ;)
The really odd thing about racism is only exists because of the imaginary concept of race, which is some kind of weird colonial concept used the beginnings of human history to define the Other as inferior... we are superior...they are barbarian.
ReplyDeleteLook at your average bnp/millwall/Serbia supporter and laugh your arse off at that delusion. There's only one race (human)
Cultural differences ...they are real and fucking huge. Anyone like to join me in beating up a few chess players?
Things to do with Bloggs;
Deletei) Have a laugh. Check
ii) Spout crap on a forum. Check
iii) Beat up some chess players. Check, mate.
John, are you JT's mum?
ReplyDeleteHow does a Welshman find sheep in long grass?
ReplyDeleteIrresistible
Welsh is a language invented by someone who was shit at scrabble.
ReplyDeleteThank god for the Welsh. Without them we'd have to hate each other.
ReplyDeleteHang on. We do!
The price of lamb in Wales has just gone up.
ReplyDeleteIt's now £4.95 per hour.
My own parents were mixed race.
ReplyDeleteMy mum liked the 100m sprint.
My dad was Pakistani.
My basic thesis here is we take racism too seriously. I look forward to a time when an off colour racist remark (pun intended) can be dismissed as the silly and stupid thing it is.
ReplyDeleteObviously we'll have to kill all the racists to get to that point.
A Welsh women looks out her window and sees her son, stark bollock naked, sporting a pair of wellies, going to town on a sheep.
ReplyDeleteShe calls out dismayed to her hubby;
"Dai, Dai, come look at this"
"Bloody Aida" exclaimed Dai. "We'll have to nip in this bud, our he'll be smoking next."
Watch some of their moves tho H. I tried to beat up a chess player I saw in the street, cause he looked st me funny, I hit him I said take that you chess playing cunt now fuck off back to chess land and the cunt pulled the najdorf variation of the sicilian defence on me. I lost face with my chessist thug pals. Those drafts players should fuck off and don't even get me started on those fucking backgammon cunts.
ReplyDeleteWhy can't Welsh people count sheep to help them get to sleep?
ReplyDeletecos, when they get to five, they have to stop and have a wank.
What do you call a Welsh guy with more then one sheep?
ReplyDeletei) Happy
ii) A playa
iii) A pimp
If you want to distract a chess player, then pop in a video of some hard core pawn.
ReplyDeleteBashing the bishop?
ReplyDeleteTaking the Queen from behind?
ReplyDeleteKnights in black n white?
ReplyDeleteGrand Masterbator?
ReplyDeleteInterviewer : So Robbo, why did you stop writing your footie blog after so many years
ReplyDeleteRobbo : Well I wrote a considered articulate piece on racism in football and I was ok with the Welsh jokes but when it degenerated into chess sex puns.....
To all the commenters above: how many of you are non-White?
ReplyDeleteHow many of you have experienced genuine racism?
As a non-White person who, though assimilated and integrated into wider British society, I experienced (suffered) racism from individuals and experienced institutional racism. Being on the receiving end of vile words and openly hostile actions is about the most humiliating thing that can happen to any human being. Being me, I never played the race card but worked to prove myself better than my fellow workers -- only problem was that I had to work twice as hard as the rest of my colleagues.
My worst experiences were on social outings when most of the crew got stinking drunk and people whom i had considered as being allies would utter some really foul stuff about non-White colleagues.
I was glad for these experiences because it made me realise that no matter how hard we non-Whites work to integrate, assimilate or whatever, the majority of the wider White community will never accept us as equals.
So, to all those who think the players who didn't wear the t-shirt last weekend are just over-reacting and being cuntish, be grateful you've never been attacked verbally or physically simply because you are not White, something that no-one has control over (unless you're Michael Jackson and suffer from a rare skin disease which required skin grafts).
You think that racism is only suffered by non-whites?
DeleteGet over yourself.
Now, I'm truly sorry that you've suffered because of others ignorance/stupidity, but believe me, I know that blacks, hispanics, latinos and asians are just as racist as whites.
I'm white, born in Holloway London in the 60's a melting pot of Irish, Italian, Greeks, Asians and many of Caribean/West Indies decendents. My parents were Irish and we were spat on and called terrorists due to acts of the IRA which at the time were busy with a bombing campaign on the Capital.
I've seen white kids be bullied by the black kids, just because they were in the majority. The Tottenham and Brixton riots were just down the road and they were not pretty no matter which ethnic culture you came from.
I got sick of the fact that I was a foriegner in the country of my birth so I fucked off at an early age. Do you think I was treated any better in Spain? Fuck no, I was a dirty immigrant there too. Did I let it get me down and cry about? NO.
I know that T-shirts aren't the answer to anything, but it's a start and instead of spoilt millionaires boycotting it, then let the fucktards do something about it. They're in a privaledged position, they have the attention and the means to make a difference, but for them it's easier to bitch and that shit makes me sick to my stomach.
I can only write about my own experience -- I cannot empathise with a White man because I have never been a White man. Having said that, I am quite aware that my own community practises racism and is more class-concious than those upper class twits running this country at the moment.
DeleteUnfortunately, those in the majority will always lord it over the minority. In one of our schools, an Asian kid happens to be fair in complexion and has greyish-blue eyes. He gets called "honkie" all the time even though he is the same as 90% of the kids in that school.
By not wearing the t-shirt the "spoilt millionaire fucktards" are trying to get a message across -- that those in power are doing little to tackle the problem and the so-called educators are funded by the powers-that-be so are not going to bite the hand that feeds them. Just watched SAF's interview about Ferdinand and to me it sounded like Ferdy 1, Fergie 0.
Have you ever walked through parts of South London in the 1980s? I did and I can guarantee you that black and asian people can be equally as racist as white people when they want to be. Getting called chalky or vanilla in the middle of the street is as unpleasant as reverse terms.
DeleteThere is no monopoly on prejudice.
A black footballers association would just be divisive and for once I find myself agreeing with Joey Barton about something.
Ferdinand and Roberts are looking for a media audience as their careers are winding down and they want a prominent role in the game when they retire but an organisation based on being black is not the way forward and is as racist as havin a white footballers association.
By boycotting the Kick It Out campaign what are they saying Keep It In but from the reverse perspective? They should have backed the campaign and used it to get Keep It Out better funding which could start from their own pockets.
You're right of course Profile.Racism is a scourge and no laughing matter if you're excluded or abused because if it. People still die because of it in the UK and its got to be stamped ,out. Only shitheads would disagree.
ReplyDeleteI'm not sure what you're implying though. Only black people can comment? I'm sure you don't mean to imply that racism is the only form of discrimination, gay players who darent say a word, jobless working class lads, young women might disagree Etc etc...and I'm not sure what you mean by "wider white community". That just doesn't exist any more than a notional "black community" . The worst racism I've personally witnessed had been Asian/black.
The question is ...has the reaction in football been ineffectual? Well I'm sorry to disagree but no i don't think it has. Massive strides have been made in the UK. It's not tolerated in English football. You get the occasional apologist for JT even on here. The consensus us clear though and so is the change. England isn't Serbia.
Most of our best players are black. I personally have never witnessed any racism at a football match in fact quite the reverse. Mark chamberlain was a god at port vale 20 years ago.
That's not to say it isn't still a massive problem but I think SAF is right seeing highly privileged millionaire young black players (discriminated against? fuck off) protesting against a small organisation, which doesn't enforce the rules, doing its best to kick out racism DOES send out the wrong message, they run the risk of appearing spoilt, our of touch and self pitying. And I absolutely reserve the right to take the piss.
Wow... never thought my required doctoral courses in the Social and Historical Foundations of (US) Education (featuring plenty of perspectives from Marxist Feminism to critical race theory) and Qualitative Methods (complete with theoretical frameworks to support said theories mentioned in the other class) would be so timely as to allow me to comment intelligently on this board and bring the light of reason to all who read it.
ReplyDeleteOr perhaps it is my white male, albeit non-Christian (but Jewish, so perhaps even more privileged?) privilege that allows me to step back, smile, and pretend none of this exists while implicitly (or explicitly) lording my comfortable life over all others as a shining example of what you should all strive to become.
No, I'm not arrogant enough to do the first or ignorant enough to do the second. I'll just share my opinion without hitting the books. Racism is a problem that comes from many sources, but classism, genderism, and other such preferential isms are discouraging, too. (Female refs, anyone?) We can't be colorblind (genderblind? etcblind?) because we have to acknowledge that our differences make us who we are and can enrich our world on a personal and cultural level. But we shouldn't overplay them, either.
I still find it disappointing that the argument many have made in the JT case implies that it is okay to call someone a fucking cunt but not a fucking black cunt.
It's not that it is OK just that it is legal and possibly accurate depending on who you are describing
DeleteCan you get me some semtex, H?
ReplyDeletePeople build up artificial barriers in their minds. Psymtex is the answer.
ReplyDeleteIf we needed to have direct personal experience to empathise with others we would be truly fucked as a species.
I always dreamed of winning the same number of Tour de France titles as Lance Armstrong, and now I have.
ReplyDeleteAh Bloggidy, always a joy. I don't think these black players are being as prissy as is being made out. Cyrille Regis said yesterday that it's a response to the leniency of the Terry ban. I'm not saying it's the right response. Kick It Out didn't decide on Terry's crime being somehow less awful because it was uttered once, rather than throughout a game. Zero Tolerance my backside. So to be seen to be having a pop at KIO seems a little like being attacked by a cat and kicking its kitten. Still Rio is said to be trying to put together something with more independence from the FA and maybe that's the way forward. We'll see.
ReplyDeleteAs for the wider point, well I take your point, H. The signs in B&B's in the 50s and 60s said 'No Blacks No Irish.' The disrimination was not particularly discriminate. The difference is that an Irishman might have been able to affect an accent. A black man couldn't affect a different skin colour. Not that either should need to be attempted. I'm all for non-white representation, especially on this little corner of the web, Profile, but yours is not the only form of discrimination. And the fact that I don't suffer from such abuse doesn't mean I'm not allowed to comment on it, let alone condemn it.
Hate it when people feel sorry for themselves! There's only 1 race, the human race. So fuck you if you're black, white, brown, irish, serbian, jewish, muslim, christian, tamil, agnostic etc.
DeleteThe Tees Mouth: "I'm all for non-white representation, especially on this little corner of the web, Profile, but yours is not the only form of discrimination. And the fact that I don't suffer from such abuse doesn't mean I'm not allowed to comment on it, let alone condemn it."
DeleteI enjoy all your blogs, and this one is up there with the best of them. Also, you're my top football/sports journo in the whole wide world. Your writing certainly reflects how strongly you feel about certain subjects and aspects of life on these here fair isles whereas other journos come across as simply paying lip-service. And I do enjoy the repartee established by the regulars here.
Having got the yucky bit out of the way, I can't see where I've suggested what you're implying in the quoted paragraph?
Keegan: "1 race"
DeleteWell, scientifically, yes. And wouldn't it be wonderful if it worked out that way. But we as a species can't get past the idea that Other is less than we are, and Other is most obvious if it looks different.
Come on Braga.
ReplyDeleteStick to context Noel, you make it sound like this were a footy blog.
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Bloggy - "d I'm not sure what you mean by "wider white community". That just doesn't exist any more"
Really??? You should come to the US. Not only is the white community really wide, they seem to be getting wider with each passing day. Racism, schmacism, we really need to crack down on Mcdonalds.
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On a serious note though, I am beginning to believe that humans need to discriminate against each other. Its human nature. I travel to India often enough (say, what happened to our resident India rep, Mr SS?) and you would expect that with the caste system they used to have (and still do to some extent), some extent of casteism as they call it would still exist. But truth is even within the same caste, a Brahmin from South India faces taunts/racist jibes from Brahmins in North India. Human nature, we just need someone a little different to pick on. If everyone looked and spoke exactly the same, the guys who woke up early would probably discriminate against the late risers. Its only the fear of the law that can put paid to these baser instincts.
On a serious note though! COME ON BRAGA!!!!!
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ReplyDeleteSemtex Bloggy? Sure, over here you can pick that up at the chemists or in the supermarket.
ReplyDeleteIs it that time of the month again.........
Oh wait, that's Tampax.
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Thanks for the reply Robbo and apologies Profile if I stamped a little too hard on my soapbox.
Racism and intolerance comes in many shapes and guises, I personally believe in equality, i.e, I think Terry and Ferdinand are both cunts.
No need for any apologies -- we all need to get the weight of societal problems off our collective chests.
DeleteWell, he's now decided to do something about it;
ReplyDeletehttp://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2221557/Rio-Ferdinand-leads-Federation-Black-Players-breakaway-group.html
Not sure if that's the right way to go though.
Wouldn't having a seperate Black Players Union only make the divisions in the game even wider?
I remember as a kid witnessing players like Cyril Regis and Laurie Cunningham take terrible abuse. The first black player I remember doning an Arsenal shirt was Paul Davies, even from some home fans he took some stick but I honestly thought that football in England had evolved, am I really that deluded?
I've now just read that he's tweeted;
Delete"Don't believe everything you read"
Which is a really a strange thing to put on a social media outlet that you have to read.
Confused? You will be.
Football seems to be in regression,I hope it regresses to having obstruction and gentlemanly conduct
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I'd like it to regress to the place that I could afford a ticket.
DeleteQuality blog Robbo! A bit sombre tho. Can we get on with the football please. Surely you could drop another blog this week Robbo? One a week ain't cuttin it!
ReplyDeleteAH, I'm with you, these early rising mudda fuckers think they're so fuckin special, just because they discovered GMT for the fuckin sailors.
ReplyDeleteYeah. I demand equal rights for the alarmclockimpaired.
Deleteand equal Fergie time whenever we need it.
DeleteLet's not push it Trott, we have to keep our goals realistic.
DeleteMuch as i hate to disagree with the majority opinion on this blog (haha, who am I kidding..), riddle me this ya'all:
ReplyDeleteWould we still be talking about KIO had everyone wore them garbs?
The answer me friends is a big fat NO.
For once I think the knuckleheads got it right (not sure if they meant it this way or were just being self-obsessed cunts). If they all had worn the KIO shirts, we'd have applauded and moved on within hours (difficult to admit but true), but now everyone's talking/gossipping/going all purple about it, which for me constitutes end-jusifying-means.
So don't go telling me (or yourselves) that it was a bad thing that them all made a fuss over the weekend, it was the best thing that a bunch of shirts could have achieved. Cheers.
--BeeZee
That's actually a very good point BeeZee.
ReplyDeleteBy not wearing a t-shirt that was designed to bring awareness to a cause they have insured that the cause is the spotlight.
Next time a collecter comes around for charity I'm gonna nick some money out of his box, that's bound to grab a few headlines.
I know H that there could be a hundred puns made about this, and I think we are all getting lost in them not just you, pundits on MOTD and the beeb being the biggest example. But I do feel that if we look at objectively at the reaction, the end result is as good as it could have gotten with those t-shirts.
Delete--BeeZee
Good luck Dougie Freedman (you'll need it).
ReplyDeleteProfile, sir. Fair point, there's nothing in what you've said that suggests I can't comment on these issues and let's face it you'd hardly be reading this blog if you did have a problem with it.
ReplyDeleteUnless he's JDR in disguise. ;)
DeleteTrots, I heard it was Dean Friedman.
ReplyDelete"and you can thank your lucky stars that you're not the bastard son of Dean Friedman."
DeleteBest band in the world, ever.
http://www.chrisrand.com/hmhb/back-again-in-the-dhss/bastard-son-dean-friedman/
hey, let's hope you're right Robbo, we can thank our lucky stars, at least we'll have a couple of new songs to take to Div 1. He might even have a special little ditty underway for the Boro game!
ReplyDeleteFuckin hell..Willian even looks like Will.I.Am. Ah well, all these black folk look the same I guess.
ReplyDeleteI will not be wearing a t-shirt in support of that comment.
DeleteAs a member of the homogenous white folk, AH has a point, but I don't see why H2H needs to go topless to prove anything.
DeleteGreat band, by the way, Homogenous White Folk. Cover group for Average White Band.
Unlucky Celtic, losing on virtualy the last kick of the game must be tough.
ReplyDeleteBreaking News: Joey Barton's Paraguayan football academy begins to bear fruit.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-20044782
As things currently stand Blogidy,can we make some arrangements to meet up for next seasons Ipswich v Port Vale game?
ReplyDeleteHa ha yes mate
ReplyDeletewell not been about lately, normally this is due to being busy at work but, sadly, this time is due to Mr BHB suddenly developing a severe type of dyslexia mixed with Tourettes. It only seems to be apparent when watching Chelsea and especially when our lone striker loses the ball, Mr BHB cannot help himself shouting Tosser as opposed to Torres. There seems to be no know cure, although he did suggest himself last night that possibly we could loan said striker out to Bolton (sorry Trotts)... Any suggestions on how to help him would be gratefully received
ReplyDeleteRight now to read the last couple of blogs
Welcome back BHB. Dont be a stranger.
DeleteIn case you missed it, last blog had me singing the glory of the new look chelski and that took care of the game against donetsk. In similar vein, the blog before I had claimed the gooners would win everything this season, following which they visitied Carrow Road. I am becoming almost Robbo-esque.
Hello AH, well if you would be so kind as to keep your comments regarding Chelsea to yourself in future, that would be appreciated.
DeleteFee l free however to extol the virtures of other clubs in the Prem. A lot to ask of a Liverpool fan but if you could start with Manpoo this Sunday?
no thanks Bells, we've already got a striker from Liverpool. At 1/17th of the price but only twice as shite, we got quite a bargain.
DeleteTwo ways you can see the t-shirt boycott I guess, publicity stunt ...big success...principled position ... failure. Young millionaires moaning about discrimination just doesn't work.
ReplyDeleteThe talk about a black players union... motto "separate for inclusivity"? ...suggests they can't tell the difference between the two.
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DeleteSpeaking of Rome I was just reading about racism in Italy. No excuses for racists here but the ultras movement of extreme racist scum is endemic on the rancid Continent which is forever just 7 platitudinous degrees of separation from extremism. You can't trust em.
ReplyDeleteThey don't trust themselves otherwise why the fuck would Germany unite its banking system with Greece?
-But Klaus, zey ist basket case
-Jawohl Friedrich, but we unite mussen or ve fascist again become
Speaking of shirts...Genoa were fined this year when their players handed their shirts to the ultras....
ReplyDeletehttp://www.football-italia.net/25956/sculli-banned-ultras-protest
Robbo old son, looks like there's about to be so many resignations at the beeb -"dear Jim can you fix it for me to be sexually abused" - you stand a good chance of reinstatement
ReplyDeleteExpect a big culture change tho, the job description of head of current affairs will be "keeping an eye on who's shagging who at present"
Surprised no-one has mentioned it but as such here is a blog specially for Jacks and his brave lads.
ReplyDeletehttp://adampsb.blogspot.co.uk/2012/10/leaving.html
Please read, comment and vote as usual
Adam, I didn't see a box marked "I have no fuckin' clue" so I didn't vote this time.
DeleteJust watched SAF's interview about Ferdinand and to me it sounded like Ferdy 1, Fergie 0.
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More like you're dropped, fined and do it again and your getting slapped. If we had more fit defenders Fergie's public stance would have been far more scathing. Ferdinand has come across as a hypocrite considering his recent fine for a racist comment directed at Ashley Cole
Yeah, what Fergie meant to say was that it was a miscommunication based on our shortage of defenders and if I'd really not had a shortage of defenders I would have suspended him but don't tell me you would have respected me more if I had because that shouldn't enter into it because we just had a miscommunication.
ReplyDeleteIf he'd been injured he'd have suspended him until he was fully recovered.
There's only one Dougie Freedman!
You'd be better off with Marty feldman trott
ReplyDeleteI know but we just missed out, he's off to Ipswich.
DeleteIf Obama is re-elected will this increase port vales chances of promotion?
ReplyDeleteyes, automatic promotion to Premier league and the supporters club get to use Air Force One which will come in handy as you're relocating to Hawaii and being renamed Port Pearl.
DeleteWiggins to get jolly batey supporting chris Froome in the tdf.. I think the double ascent of slow d'huez has put the time trial specialist off a bit
ReplyDeleteWiggins has already said that the Giro will be his target for this year,which leaves him knackered for the TdF.Froome is a very good rider and should push Bertie the drug cheat all the way.
DeleteIpswich considering 34 candidates for managerial position. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20068840
ReplyDeleteNext gaffer could be any one of us, I suppose. Do you think they'll give us a heads up first, or just make the announcement?
I know who it's gonna be but if I announce it on here, the Ipswich PR bloke might get dog shit shoved through my letter box.
ReplyDeleteI didn't realize The Sun delivered.
ReplyDeleteAnton F feels, rightly, very strongly about this. I'd don't get why he didn't complain, therefore. Why did someone have to lipread a YouTube clip?
ReplyDeleteChris Hutchings ALWAYS replaces Jewell, its the LAW
ReplyDeleteIf its any consolation jacks (no) he wasn't quite as hopeless as he was at derby ...11 points in a season.
ReplyDeleteWell it's not a surprise that Jewell has gone.Lots of Derby and Sheffield Wednesday fans around Buxton and not one of them had a good word to say about him.
ReplyDeleteRelegation looks likely and it's all R*y K***e's fault.
Please,please,please don't let it be Al Sha-eearah or bent 'arry.
Chopra wants Alan Shearer to take over at ITFC.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/20068840
Mainly because he's got £10k on him at 5-1/
Blogidy can get 20-1 on his tip.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/14511694?aff=683&dcmp=sl_betlink
Thursday night and that means it's time for Europe's premier footballing competition. Come on you Spurs.
ReplyDeleteYou better believe it. Liverpool playing the current leaders of the Russian Prem League and facing the worlds most highly paid footballer in Etoo (with our frontline probably being Yesil, Morgan and Suso, so I really shouldn't be watching the game).
Deletehttp://www.wsc.co.uk/wsc-daily/1153-october-2012/9114-ipswich-s-problems-go-deeper-than-paul-jewell
ReplyDeleteOwen Coyle would be a good fit at Ipswich, Jacks. He's got a good line about 'this club was bottom of the table when I came here' already warmed up and ready to go.
ReplyDeleteBeggars can't be choosers Noel.
DeleteI assume the rest of the quote would be "And bottom we shall remain"
Who's topping your wish list, mate?
DeleteMick McCarthy Noel.I think a bit of no nonsense would sort things out.I like the idea of Alan Curbishley as well.A very underrated manager,although he's been out of the game for a while now.
DeleteAs long as a long term plan is in place,rather than a squad containing far too many loan players and short term buys.If it means relegation,well so be it.Hasn't hurt Norwich or Southampton.
chucklesome
ReplyDeleteI liked this blog better when you lot were posting jokes about the Welsh.
ReplyDeleteThere was an Englishman, Welshman and a Pakistani man waiting in a hospital for their wives to give birth.
ReplyDeleteA doctor evetually emerges and explains "I'm afraid because your wives gave birth at the same time we have mixed the babies up. Could you come and identify them?"
The men go to a room with three babies lying next to eachother. Two white babies and one brown one.
The english man walks to the brown baby and says "This one is definatly mine." The Pakistani man says "Look I'm not being funny but don't you think that one is probably mine?" The Englishman replies "Probably, but there is a Welsh baby in there and I'm not taking any chances."
it's the way you tell'em
Deletevery good that tho
Matt Holland really nice bloke whose boy plays for the same team as mine seems to be a good bet for Ipswich.
ReplyDeleteSurely they'll see through shearers paper thin candidature (what you see is what you get 1970s shirts 1970s tactics... 4-4-2 ...man marking ... rambling analysis at half time ...)
Shearer must have read my long-ago comment about needing to get some experience and building-up his CV, but I think even Ipswich is a bit of a stretch for the man. He needs to start in League One or Two before moving to the Championship & EPL.
DeleteGiven that Shearer only has two facial expression, I'm sure his team will play boring football
15 goals in 17 now for tom pope the Sneyd Green Assassin. You should've kept him tone.
ReplyDeleteI cut the hair of a number of Rotherham fans Blogidy.They all thought Pope was rubbish.Just goes to show I suppose.
ReplyDeleteAs for Matt Holland,I'm not sure if an untried man is for the job.I'd like to see him involved as he's a bright lad,but we really could do with someone in place with a plan.
i think thats right, jacks, im not sure "nice bloke" is on the job description
ReplyDeletechuckled to see heskey has his own camera following all his "moves" in his next match in Oz.
Next up, Sky have cameras following a continental glacier's epic journey, followed by "the paint drying on my front door in cold wet weather" and reaching a crescendo of excitement with a camera trained on " dead man in mortuary"
in fairness Bloggy, the deadman in mortuary may have more movement if the accusations about Jimmy Saville are to be believed
DeleteWas that Hells Bells giving us inside information from the police case against Jimmy Saville?
DeleteWell, I never. Absolute cracker of a goal from Downing to take us past Anzi (who, for a team coached by Guus and currently top of the Russian PL, are pretty ordinary). I guess good old Stewie's done for the season then.
ReplyDeleteFunnily enough, he was part of the front 3 in the first half and completely anonymous. Moved to left back to replace Johnson after half time and he gets a goal.
Rodgers picked a strong team with Gerrard, Suarez, Skrtl, Agger playing 90 mins, so interesting to see how we fare in the derby come Sunday. Last time we played a full strength team in the Europa, we got hammered by arsenal in the PL.
it's true what they say, every once in a while even the blind squirrel finds a nut.
ReplyDeleteHe's obviously not much of a mechanic then Trotts.
DeleteMe & Mr BHB are off on holiday on Sunday so will be around even less than of late. I know you all will be devastated but there we go..
ReplyDeleteAH could you please start singing the praises of Manpoo for both Sunday and Wednesday.
Man U win even when they play poorly, and they have just started getting their game together of late, so your lot stands no chance. They're gonna walk all over you, despite Torres getting a couple goals.
DeleteBHB knows this AH, that's why she booked her holiday for the day of the game, she's gettin' her excuses in early this season.
DeleteSend us a poostcard bells
DeleteAH, I might have believed you were singing praises until you mentioned Torres' brace. That's how I knew you were just BSing. (Not that I'd mind if he did, as I'm on 18 points after the first day...)
DeleteWell those punters who splashed out on Heskeycam (which had the unbelievable tagline of 'See what makes him so good' got their money's worth lastnight as he scored two goals, taking his tally to 4 in 4. A goal a game. Don't know what that says about the quality of the A-League though.
ReplyDeleteat a goal a game he'll be up for an england recall. honestly, if he's getting a goal a game i think we all know what that says about the a-league!
DeleteCOME ON WIMBLEDON!
ReplyDeleteI assume you're hoping to cobble the cobblers Blogidy.
ReplyDeleteWe will be assisting Sheffield Wednesday out of the relegation zone today.
1-0 down at home to Sheffield Wednesday.I'd say sack the manager,but we haven't bleedin well got one.
ReplyDeletewell done Robbo (and FBH wherever you are). Our unbeaten streak ends at 2, it was good while it lasted.
ReplyDeleteThere's Only One Dougie Freedman.
Evening all. Can any of you Twitter experts tell me why my Twitter home page on my laptop has changed to Twitter for mobile?
ReplyDeleteColch
Ask Ashley Cole; he knows his tweets from this twats.
DeleteIt's only on Internet Explorer. It works fine on google Chrome.
ReplyDeleteColch
1-0, not a bad result considering we effectively played with 9 men for the first 66 minutes and 9 1/2 for the last 24. Santos at left back is a disaster happening and Ramsey on the right flank was totally ineffectual. Wilshire had a great return to the first team and Sangna was impressine but the man of the match has to go to the QPR keeper Julio Cesar who stopped everything (well almost everything) that the gunners offered up.
ReplyDeleteI was hoping theyd beat gills jacks and wed bear lowly northampton. Of course neither of those two things happened.
ReplyDeleteHow's tricks Bo?
However you look at it nick hornby and co are being ripped off by arsenal. Most expensive tickets....£45 million net profit in transfers over 5 years (compare stoke £75 million net spend) ... manager who's run out of ideas (for once Garth crooks is right anyone else would have been sacked) ... also-ran team ... as a neutral its actually quite sad to see although I hope it happens to man u when fergie retires.
ReplyDeleteFergie's still got 25 years in him.
DeleteI don't like to complain about refs, but it does seem they had a rough go of it in the Chelsea match. Certainly didn't help my fantasy team, as it looks like we've lost both matches.
ReplyDeleteDid enjoy Everton v Liverpool online via ESPN3. Suarez played rather well, and though he may have been fortunate to stay on the pitch, he was robbed of a legit winner.
Don't know how I forgot to mention it, but Suarez's celebration was quite enjoyable.
DeleteAs was Moyes' reaction. Along the lines of "he'll have to do that in front of plenty of other managers".
DeleteI believe Suarez objected to Moyes calling him a diver. No idea why. As a former Liverpool manager would have said: "Ees a fackt".
Jedi
We now have allegations of racist comment being attributed to the match referee. All the match officials can hear what is being said, so will be interesting to see how this one plays out.
ReplyDeleteIf Clattenburg did make the comment(s) then he should be punished/disqualified, but if he did not, and this complaint is totally without foundation, then Chelsea must face some very serious charges.
I think it would have been wise for Chelsea to wait until tomorrow at least before lodging a complaint -- so soon after the match looks like someone may well be playing the race card.
chelsea looked the better team, even when they were down to 9.
ReplyDeletedoes anyone know where the real wayne rooney has gone? he was utter shite today. looked almost like he had an england shirt on!
i hate to say it but utd are carrying him... and evra... and carrick. luckily i think clattenburg was up to the task today!
Clattenburg has said that he will be using the John Terry defence and was only repeating what one of the players said to him.
ReplyDeleteMikel - "Did you call me a black cunt"?
Clattenburg - "Black cunt? I didn't call you a black cunt"
Will be interesting to see what happens if it turns out that Clattenburg did use "racial language". Will he get a 4 match ban and a fine like Terry or will he get sacked. Think he might have a case in a court of law if he gets a different punishment to a player for the same offence.
Colch
Just got the official version of the Chelski complaint about Clattenburg. It reads:
ReplyDelete"You can't use language like that. That's our captain's job".
Jedi
Loving all the hatred for United.
ReplyDeleteFirst sending off was 100% correct and contrary to what a lot of people in football are saying it can still be considered as diving even if you have contact. Personally i thought the second red was a little harsh but I think Hanson got it spot on last night saying Clattenburg didn't realise in time that he had already booked him. But Torres could have been sent off for his earlier De Jong impression so I don't think its all that controversial. Now obviously the goal was offside but its absolute bollocks to suggest the referee or linesmen were not good enough because of it or were in United's pocket.
All yesterday proved is that United are hated as much as always. If everything had happened the other way round there wouldn't be anywhere near as much hysteria. In fact come to think of it, nearly every year at Stamford Bridge United would get dodgy ref decisions but surprise surprise there was no nationwide vitriol.
I agree Rod. It's the same old ABU attitude. Made a nice change not to be on the wrong end of dodgy decisions at the Bridge.
DeleteI'm not going to jump onto some new anti IOU bandwagon.
DeleteThis one I've been on for years is just fine.
welcome back Rod. Finally a balanced opinion.
ReplyDeleteSandy is moving in, I'm worried that the roof will leak and the basement will flood when the power goes off causing destruction of my priceless collection of 1970's BWFC programmes. God save us.
There's only one Doogie Howser
I thought it was Morgan Freedman.
DeleteI try my best not to be too arrogant or righteous Trotts. It is very difficult being correct all the time ya know, it can be quite a burden to carry. But don't fret, I'll soldier on and promise to deliver a fair and balanced approach to my no spin reflection on reality - the Rod Factor!!
DeleteHas Mark Clattenberg ever officiated a Un**ed match where they have lost?
ReplyDeleteTo be fair to Clattenberg he's gawd awful most of the time, regardless of who's playing.
DeleteYeah. Remember this time last year? There was a certain derby match that ended in a ridiculous scoreline?
DeleteClattenburg was appointed to control both legs of the 2006–07 FA Youth Cup final, contested by Liverpool and Manchester United, firstly at Anfield on 16 April 2007 which United won 2-1, and then at Old Trafford on 26 April 2007 which Liverpool won 1-0. With the aggregate scores tied, Liverpool won the subsequent penalty shoot-out 4-3 after a goalless 30 minutes of extra time.
DeleteHe's a Newcastle fan accoring to Wiki.
That would explain why he's so bitter.
DeleteBa humbug.
Premier League fails to defuse charges of bias as they appoint ref for next Man Utd game pic.twitter.com/nQGPphPS
ReplyDeleteHeh, They're up against us at Old Toilet next week so it won't really matter who's the ref.
DeleteWe seem to bend over and take it hard from them the last few seasons and recent performances suggest that this is a trend that may unfortunatly continue.
Gret Game, Great result.
ReplyDeleteNot sure which sight I enjoyed most though Torres' when he realised he was getting sent off or Sturridge's when he realised that he wasn't getting on AGAIN cos someone had been sent off - priceless.
He did get on and didn't do much in the end but regardless of the rights and wrongs it was definitely NOT boring
Sandy is big slow and unlikely to cause the damage threatened
ReplyDeleteRenamed Hurricane Heskey
This is getting silly now with clattenberg accused of racism by a team he's just given a couple of bad decisions against
ReplyDeleteI suppose he's lucky they didn't accuse him of being jimmy saviles more creepy best pal
Someone on one of the Yahoo blogs already has. Ridiculous how low some people stoop.
DeleteTbh I think mark clattenerg deserves massive respect for becoming a top ref after inventing Facebook
ReplyDeleteBatten down the hatches Trott!
ReplyDeleteI'm watching bbcnews and by the interest in Sandy there seems to be as George orwell predicted (uk is Airstrip One in 1984) a bit of confusion about whether the UK is part of the USA
yeah, don't underestimate the power of the weather. We lost 4 twigs and a plant pot when Irene blew through!
DeleteRooney up for the ballon d'or.
ReplyDeleteAre they having a fucking laugh?
Well Balotelli's on their too, so if they are having a laugh then I don't get the joke.
Deleterooney... ballon d'or... brilliant... if clattenburg is judging it might be a forgone conclusion!
ReplyDeleteThe good news - 2 more H2H wins including a revenge victory over,well ,H2H.
ReplyDeleteThe bad news - seem to be slap bang in the middle of Sandy. If one of the many trees (the missus did tell me not to buy a wooded lot or atleast to chop down most of the trees) falls over, its probably curtains for the 4 of us.
Okay now to quickly hit Publish before the power outs.
P.S. The Suarez swan dive for Moyes was rib tickling hilarious. Would have even been reasonably funny if his goal in the last minute wasn't incorrectly (by a mile) offsided. But they shouldve had a penalty given on Skrtl, so it all evens out.
Congrats AH.
DeleteWhen I saw Ivanovich got sent off and Baines scored an OG I knew I was fucked.
Mabe they have Rooney down for a new award in recognition of his hair plugs.
ReplyDeleteThe Ballon d'Orrible
So Clattenburg has been "stood down" from this weekend's fixtures and "is unlikely to take charge of another game until this matter is resolved".
ReplyDeleteGood to see that the ref gets the same treatment as the players for an alleged offence. Everyone must remember when Suarez and Terry were alleged to have committed the same offence and weren't allowed to play until the matter was resolved. Oh hang on a minute.....
Colch
The difference might be that Clattenburg is employed by a central organisation which takes its responsibility to reduce (and hopefully eradicate) racism seriously. Suarez and Terry are employed by individual clubs who don't give a f**k.
DeleteA couple of issues seem to have been lost in the rush to abuse Clattenburg (who got a fair number of calls wrong on Sunday).
1. Coins were thrown at Hernandez when he was celebrating the winning goal. A steward was taken to hospital. Ignoring the fact that the Chelski fans are about as accurate as Fernando, that should result in 3 games behind closed doors.
2. One of the Redtops is reporting that a Chelski player threatened to break Clattenburg's leg. That's a disrepute charge if true. Chelski and their fans have form here (see the retirement of Anders Frisk).
Jedi
And another bloody thing that annoys me is the Association of Black Lawyers or the National Black Police Association. Why have we got a separate organisation based on the colour of someones skin? Would I be allowed to start an "Association of White Lawyers"?
ReplyDeleteThere's a pub near me that has a sign outside which says "Polish only". I can guarantee that if I opened a pub a put a sign outside saying "No Foreigners" I'd get taken to court pretty damn quickly.
It seems that the only people it's ok to discriminate against now is white middle class British people.
Colch
It seems that the only people it's ok to discriminate against now is white middle class British people.
DeleteWonderful! When do I start?
While I do understand your general sentiments, I also know that as a white (male) person I have so many privileges I really shouldn't complain about things like that. Maybe Britain is different.
The Association of BLack Lawyres chairman has made a complaint about Clattenburg to the police.
ReplyDeleteApparently he didn't hear or see anything but "information has reached him about an incident" which is lawyer speak for I was reading Steven Howards ABU column in the Sun newspaper and thought I'd jump on the bandwagon and get myself on the news like that chippy Diane Abbott who was on Sky last night talking about it even though she knows nothing about football at all
It's all stupid, everyone jumps on the bandwagon. Diane Abbott is a racist anyhoo, if she was white and said the things she did about british people she wouldn't be an MP.
DeleteMJ
Racism in football is such a sensitive matter now it is impossible to have a decent debate about it. Apparently calling someone a black bastard is a racist comment and can result in a criminal record whereas if you call someone a Paddy cunt or English twat is at worst just offensive and not very caring of peoples feelings. People don't understand what racism is anymore. Next they'll changing the names of towns or cities with black in them and appointing Paul Ince as England manager.
DeleteStevie G - Everton are like Stoke (a long ball team)
ReplyDeleteYeh, that's why they spent £35m on Andy Carroll...
On the BBC site someone put "And Liverpool play like Port Vale"
DeleteBit harsh on the Vale I thought.
Are you 'jbvalefan'? Least someone is sticking up for the Vale.
Delete'3rd best goal difference in the country? 2 pacey goal scoring wingers? We would give Liverpool a game.'
MJ
Not me.
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